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Why won't a politician come out & say we need our lower class to do manual labor
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:47 pm
The reality is that for some reason America's lower class feels they are above doing manual labor, i.e. Cutting grass, picking crops, roofing houses etc.
I'm curious why one of these polciticians doesn't come out and say the truth about this. We have an immigration problem because America's lower class has gotten L A Z Y.
The reality is no matter what you will always have a society of upper, middle, and lower class folks. And the old adage shite rolls down hill would apply. The upper and middle classes have skills that allow them to not have to do the manual labor that the unskilled (lower) class used to do.
You solve this problem then you solve the immigration equation.
I'm curious why one of these polciticians doesn't come out and say the truth about this. We have an immigration problem because America's lower class has gotten L A Z Y.
The reality is no matter what you will always have a society of upper, middle, and lower class folks. And the old adage shite rolls down hill would apply. The upper and middle classes have skills that allow them to not have to do the manual labor that the unskilled (lower) class used to do.
You solve this problem then you solve the immigration equation.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:50 pm to Covingtontiger77
Adding: I am including my opinion to apply to the lower class made up of whites, blacks, Latino, and every other race
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:51 pm to Covingtontiger77
Maybe the trouble is the government. Think about it. If you can make the same money sitting on you front porch as you do digging a ditch, where is your incentive to work?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:51 pm to Covingtontiger77
Tom Cotton just did on O'Reilly
Said if we stop letting illegals in the lower class would take those jobs for wages slightly higher than the Mexicans are getting.
Said if we stop letting illegals in the lower class would take those jobs for wages slightly higher than the Mexicans are getting.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:54 pm to Cosmo
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Said if we stop letting illegals in the lower class would take those jobs for wages slightly higher than the Mexicans are getting
Bingo. But you have to also disincentivize the welfare nation.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:55 pm to Covingtontiger77
Make jobs cool again!
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:55 pm to Covingtontiger77
There are a lot of people who do manual labor for a living including cutting grass and do not fall in the category of lower class.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:56 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:I know a man who ate grass for a living and is currently receiving 125,000 bucks a month.
There are a lot of people who do manual labor for a living including cutting grass and do not fall in the category of lower class.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:57 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Unskilled labor- is generally lower class. Not a dig just the facts.
Fruit pickers, ditch diggers, bus boys, etc are unskilled and thus have the lowest wage scale. Thus they would be lower class on the economic hierarchy.
Fruit pickers, ditch diggers, bus boys, etc are unskilled and thus have the lowest wage scale. Thus they would be lower class on the economic hierarchy.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:58 pm to ncdawg
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Maybe the trouble is the government. Think about it. If you can make the same money sitting on you front porch as you do digging a ditch, where is your incentive to work?
This is the real problem.
Maybe because I grew up poor, but I was under the impression for most of my life that people went to work simply for food and shelter.
Now government covers food, shelter, healthcare, education and mobile phones. You just need a small cash job for cigs and beer.
The incentive to perform low paying wage jobs and earn your way up seems a lot less than 2 or 3 decades ago. Government largesse has a lot to do with that.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:01 pm to GumboPot
Also isn't it a form of institutional racism by the Left for wanting these Latin American and Mexican workers to come here to do these jobs. Essentially they are saying that these people are nothing more than America's grunts that are needed to keep us all fat and happy.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:01 pm to LSUTANGERINE
If you are doing manual labor and making a solid living you probably own your own company. A buddy of mine started his own lawn business and is doing well. I doubt he can afford to pay his workers much more than minimum wage though.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:02 pm to Covingtontiger77
they have, and want, Jose from Monterrey to do that now...works for literally nothing, all day long, in 100 degree heat, no benefits...what more could the CoC want
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
Gubment paying more baw!!!! Plus if you don't get married, you get even more money!!!! Have more kids? Here's some more money!!!! We have to take care of these poor people with no way to scale the heirarchy or they will never succeed.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:07 pm to ncdawg
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Maybe the trouble is the government. Think about it. If you can make the same money sitting on you front porch as you do digging a ditch, where is your incentive to work?
This is the problem....but you are laying the blame at the feet of the wrong people....
We have been duped into thinking that labor is a commodity like pork bellies and orange juice....but if a pig isn't marketable you just kill the bastard and get on with your day...we are not going to treat people that way as badly as some of you seem to think that is the best course of action. Therefore we allow employers to pay less than it costs for their employees to produce because there is a "market price" for all commodities. The problem is that when that commodity is not being used we don't simply shut it down...it lives and breaths and must be housed and fed and maintained...but we pretend otherwise....
And so we got to the point where we provided employers with some basic subsidies for their labor.....but then some greedy frickers like WalMart and the owners of section 8 housing saw an opportunity to profit off the good will of the american people and so they lobbied for more and more subsidies of production...to the point that producing no longer even mattered...the commodity must simply be taken care of whether it is producing or not.....and so we get to the point where it is common knowledge that Americans won't do certain jobs....but if they are hungry enough AND the job pays enough they will do it....that is the problem with common knowledge and common sense...it is commoen and therefore of little or no value....uncommon knowledge would dictate that we insist that employers foot the entire cost of their production themselves...all of it...completely...or we will tax THEM for the difference.....
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:14 pm to germandawg
I don't mind the idea of welfare. If you are working/attempting to work welfare can supplement to help make ends meet. I will help anyone who is willing to help themselves. If you choose not to work then no welfare.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:24 pm to Covingtontiger77
For a lot of jobs I can see this but man Agricultural has been dependent on sub legal/prevailing wages forever-slavery (both slave and suppressed poor white wages), sharecropping and Jim Crow, Okie Labor, Hispanic immigrant labor- I mean I might be way off but seems like its hard to find a period where the vast bulk of farm labor was American Citizens with the exception of the Okies during the depression.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:27 pm to montanagator
You get billionaire CEOs to take a pay cut and raise wages maybe they will.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:29 pm to Pbhog
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You get billionaire CEOs to take a pay cut and raise wages maybe they will
Just out of curiosity cut to what level? How much in your mind is too much?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:00 pm to Cosmo
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Said if we stop letting illegals in the lower class would take those jobs for wages slightly higher than the Mexicans are getting.
No they won't. That is laughable.
How much do you have to pay people to go pick things in the fields all day? It isn't going to happen. Even if you pay $20/hr. they aren't coming back day after day to pick tomatoes in the fields.
And, tell me when the GOP is going to get serious about welfare reform and entitlement reform? They haven't even mentioned it. I'm all for it, by the way. If you're able bodied and can work, you SHOULD work or you should starve. Eventually, you'll get hungry enough to work.
But, I have ZERO confidence that Americans are going to go pick vegetables out of the fields for $11 an hour when you were paying Mexicans $9 or $10 an hour to do it. ZERO.
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