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re: Why is the US scared to charge the Oklahoma beheader with terrorism?

Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:53 am to
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:53 am to
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Because it shows we're scared to say it.
maybe it has nothing to do with fear. Just maybe.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:53 am to
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Please explain how that make it more likely for him to get the death penalty.


Is this serious?

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Murderers are executed across the country all the time.


Not really compared to the amount of convictions. I just don't think this guy will get DP just with a murder charge. Again though, why not?

Posted by GFaceKillah
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:54 am to
Take this shite to the poli board. Clowns
Posted by Brendoni
Oklahoma City, Ok
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:54 am to
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He said he did it due to Islamic beliefs and learned from watching ISIS videos


but he wasn't told to perform the act, by an ISIS member, which means, he did it on his own terms, and not under the direction, of a terrorist group.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 7:57 am
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:54 am to
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What difference does it make?



a shite load, politically.
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:55 am to
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maybe it has nothing to do with fear. Just maybe.
You could be right, explain it to me.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:57 am to
What's the legal criminal definition of terrorism?
Posted by Brendoni
Oklahoma City, Ok
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:58 am to
LINK

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Posted by meaux5
New York, NY
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:58 am to
Political correctness bullshite
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:59 am to
We have a major election coming up.

/thread

Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:59 am to
Timothy McVeigh wasn't convicted of terrorism. But he was convicted of 8 counts of first degree murder.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:00 am to
Thanks for the one example that refutes what I said.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:01 am to
Feel free to keep dodging the original question though. Again, why not?

please don't answer with another question.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:02 am to
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What's the legal criminal definition of terrorism?


(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
[b](A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:02 am to
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You could be right, explain it to me
there are many reasons why prosecutors would opt for murder charges over other types of charges.

They've obviously looked at the evidence and figured that they're more likely to get a conviction with a murder charge. They'll probably go after the death penalty.

Would people seriously be upset if the US put this dude to death for murder just because they didn't label it terrorism?
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:02 am to


what is your point?
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
73144 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:03 am to
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(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— [b](A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States
you're basically putting this on the prosecution to prove beyond any reasonable doubt.

or the prosecution could just prove that this dude murdered someone....
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:03 am to
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Would people seriously be upset if the US put this dude to death for murder just because they didn't label it terrorism?
Let's just wink and nod at each other when we do label it. We know...we know.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:05 am to
Was Dzhokhar Tsarnaev charged with terror even?
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:05 am to
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Timothy McVeigh wasn't convicted of terrorism
We had very loose laws for domestic terrorism at the time. He would definitely have been charged today under the USA Patriot Act.
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