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re: Why is the United States abandoning Syrian Kurds in Kobane?

Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:49 pm to
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This President doesn't WANT to defeat ISIS.
Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner.

Now, can any of you Jarheads put aside for one second your juvenile political hackery and tell me why?





Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:59 pm to
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Now, can any of you Jarheads put aside for one second your juvenile political hackery and tell me why?


America lacks "the chest", so to speak to win a war. Americans don't want us to be weak. Americans don't want to be seen as doing nothing, but they lack the resolve to finish. They're like a kid who wants to go fishing, but won't bait his own hook, won't take the fish off the hook, won't string up the catch, and refuses cut or clean his catch. All he wants to do is catch it and eat it, but doesn't want the responsibility or hassle of either.

Americans are great at finding and catching wars, but we don't know how to clean or prepare them. The president knows that, so he offers the illusion of "doing something" because he knows anything more would require more effort and resources than the American people would be willing to commit long term.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:06 pm to
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I think the longer you allow ISIS to gain ground and a strategic grip on the region the harder it becomes to root them out. Remember this is the stronghold of ISIS. Whatever the disagreements with the Kurds the alternative is worst.
You over estimate ISIS's ability to cope with a motivated modern military. Turkey has a modern military, but I can't assess its motivation. If its military is motivated, then Turkey will have little difficulty in rooting out ISIS.

The Turks can't slaughter the Kurds without an unfavorable international response. They can allow ISIS to conduct the slaughter, and then exact retribution against ISIS without an unfavorable international response. If the goal of the Turks is to solve their issues with the Kurds, then they might view it as in their interest to ignore both ISIS and the Kurds for the time being.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:06 pm to
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Now, can any of you Jarheads put aside for one second your juvenile political hackery and tell me why?




America lacks "the chest", so to speak to win a war.
Disagree 100%. Americans certainly have "the chest" to win a war. The problem arises when winning a war is not the objective.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67064 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:09 pm to
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The problem arises when winning a war is not the objective.


Winning a war is not an objective when there is no political will to do what is necessary to win one. This is a "chicken or the egg" argument.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:28 pm to
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The problem arises when winning a war is not the objective.




Winning a war is not an objective when there is no political will to do what is necessary to win one.
While this may be true, it has no relevance to the current situation.

Winning the war isn't and never was the objective and it has nothing to do with political will.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 1:29 pm
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