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Why is being a moderate... whether Dem or Republican.... so frowned upon in 2017?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:30 pm
I am a center-right Repub who thinks that the far right is as bad for America as the far left. But to many I am a "RINO" or somesuch thing.
Why is this now a war to the death, as if for the soul of mankind?
I am fiscally conservative, but I realize we have to pay for the infrastructure that makes our society civilized. I don't care much about social issues like gay marriage. I don't give two shits about social justice. I care about my 401k. I care about not getting killed by raghead terrorists. I just want to live my life in peace, in a peaceful and prosperous society. Why am I vilified?
Why is this now a war to the death, as if for the soul of mankind?
I am fiscally conservative, but I realize we have to pay for the infrastructure that makes our society civilized. I don't care much about social issues like gay marriage. I don't give two shits about social justice. I care about my 401k. I care about not getting killed by raghead terrorists. I just want to live my life in peace, in a peaceful and prosperous society. Why am I vilified?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:32 pm to Slippy
ask "if you're not for us, you're against us" W...
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:35 pm to Slippy
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Why is this now a war to the death, as if for the soul of mankind?
Because it is.
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I am fiscally conservative, but I realize we have to pay for the infrastructure that makes our society civilized. I don't care much about social issues like gay marriage. I don't give two shits about social justice. I care about my 401k. I care about not getting killed by raghead terrorists. I just want to live my life in peace, in a peaceful and prosperous society. Why am I vilified?
In left wing terms, you are far right. Here's a coat for you...
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:35 pm to Slippy
It's because the extremist minorities of each party have taken over. One side gave the country Hillary while the other side gave us Trump.
Any self respecting moderate would have felt dirty after voting in last year's election.
Any self respecting moderate would have felt dirty after voting in last year's election.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 9:57 pm to Texas Weazel
quote:Actually... Trump isn't the extreme right-wing of the Republican party.
It's because the extremist minorities of each party have taken over. One side gave the country Hillary while the other side gave us Trump.
He's not Evangelical, morality isn't a big issue with him. His stated position on abortion is that he'd push it back to the states, not that he rabidly wants it abolish it totally.
His major emphasis on illegal immigrants is that they take jobs from US citizens, and are a drain on resources. His negotiating angle is America first and foremost, not Godlike piety.
At the end of the day, he's trying to bring a successful corporate approach to government- hire the best people, and trust them to do the jobs they were hired for.
He's never been perceived as racist or anti-semitic prior to current political bashings, he has always been about making a buck. Right now, he's trying to make a buck for America.
He was a Democrat not too long ago, switching to the Republican party was him seeing an opportunity to win, and he did.
His success in the elections, I believe, is that a great number of people DON'T want the extremes of either party in charge. Hillary was extreme left, Sanders was encouraged to run to portray her as more mainstream. The rest of the Republicans were underwhelming to a lot of voters, too.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:29 pm to Slippy
What does a "moderate" stand for?
What's to keep them from "moderating" away when the going gets tough?
What have "moderates" achieved in history?
When everything is going so well that all we need is a caretaker then maybe we should go for a "moderate".
What's to keep them from "moderating" away when the going gets tough?
What have "moderates" achieved in history?
When everything is going so well that all we need is a caretaker then maybe we should go for a "moderate".
Posted on 4/18/17 at 10:33 pm to Slippy
b/c moderates don't flip the frick out and consume every single piece of ridiculous click bait that comes their way making it much harder to bilk them out of their time and money.
politicians and corporations would much rather cater to the extremists who are far easier to mobilize and monetize.
politicians and corporations would much rather cater to the extremists who are far easier to mobilize and monetize.
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:00 pm to Slippy
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Why is being a moderate... whether Dem or Republican.... so frowned upon in 2017?
Because in the post-Twitter world, if you don't rally behind a hashtag with everyone else, you're the enemy.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:04 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Trump is pretty moderate
So was Hillary.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:06 pm to Slippy
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I am fiscally conservative... I don't care much about social issues like gay marriage.
So burdening the Social Security system with additional survivor's benefits that likely will have to be funded by the taxpayer -- literally overnight -- doesn't give your fiscally conservative side a reason to pause?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:23 pm to texashorn
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So burdening the Social Security system with additional survivor's benefits that likely will have to be funded by the taxpayer -- literally overnight -- doesn't give your fiscally conservative side a reason to pause?
Last I checked an SES table Gay men were among the highest earning cohorts.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:25 pm to montanagator
Hillary was much less moderate in this election than the last one.
First democrat in my lifetime to virtually endorse late term abortion during a debate.
First democrat in my lifetime to virtually endorse late term abortion during a debate.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:27 pm to montanagator
That does not guarantee that no public funds will be spent to provide survivor's benefits stemming from a gay marriage. A huge cost, for sure.
What about gay women on your table? Your list, I mean.
What about gay women on your table? Your list, I mean.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:29 pm to Slippy
Because like what stands out to us is the extreme left, what stands out to them is the extreme right.
We don't see tweets and quotes from average democratic voting Americans posted here. We see hipster fight club chick, false flag attempts, and the bought and paid for MSM hacks.
They likely don't see tweets or quotes from average republican voters. They see Spencer saying SEC football is "sick" and probably whatever else some dumb shite recently said that went viral.
A lot of people really don't socialize daily in person (at least not about politics) with the opposite party. A lot of how moderates think their counterparts view them is based off of the extremes you'll see in the media, social media, and Internet forums / message boards.
We think we can seperate the two but subconsciously some just add a little more ammo to their arsenal after every crazy instance they see from the other side. Then when two reasonable moderates from opposite parties end up having a debate it generally turns into who's trash is trashier rather than what those two really think.
It's an age of information overload where a country of 300+ million people have a camera phone on standby and the ability to instantly share a thought with all others. Every Koran that ends up in a toilet, every street fight, false flag, and dumb opinion is instantly shoved down our throats. We are becoming a "constant outrage" culture and with today's technology there will ever be a shortage of fuel for the fire.
IMO
We don't see tweets and quotes from average democratic voting Americans posted here. We see hipster fight club chick, false flag attempts, and the bought and paid for MSM hacks.
They likely don't see tweets or quotes from average republican voters. They see Spencer saying SEC football is "sick" and probably whatever else some dumb shite recently said that went viral.
A lot of people really don't socialize daily in person (at least not about politics) with the opposite party. A lot of how moderates think their counterparts view them is based off of the extremes you'll see in the media, social media, and Internet forums / message boards.
We think we can seperate the two but subconsciously some just add a little more ammo to their arsenal after every crazy instance they see from the other side. Then when two reasonable moderates from opposite parties end up having a debate it generally turns into who's trash is trashier rather than what those two really think.
It's an age of information overload where a country of 300+ million people have a camera phone on standby and the ability to instantly share a thought with all others. Every Koran that ends up in a toilet, every street fight, false flag, and dumb opinion is instantly shoved down our throats. We are becoming a "constant outrage" culture and with today's technology there will ever be a shortage of fuel for the fire.
IMO
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 5:38 am
Posted on 4/18/17 at 11:42 pm to Scoob
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Actually... Trump isn't the extreme right-wing of the Republican party.
You're right. He actually isn't even right wing. He is anti free market and wants to use the government to influence the economy. Any self respecting conservative would cringe at that as free market is one of, if not the, fundamental principle[s] of Conservatism.
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He's never been perceived as racist or anti-semitic
That's a lie. There was stuff out there about him even before he decided to run.
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His success in the elections, I believe, is that a great number of people DON'T want the extremes of either party in charge.
The math says otherwise.
A small segment of the population forced Trump down our throats. Out of 31+ Million Republicans that voted in the primaries, only 14 Million voted for Trump. The rest of the Republican voters (55%) didn't want Trump and chose someone else (Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Carson, etc.).
And when you look at the broader picture, 136+ Million people (total voters in the 2016 presidential election) were forced to choose between Trump and Hillary by the 34 Million morons who chose them in the primaries (16.9 million for Hillary + 14.1 million for Trump). And that's not including the potential voters who were dissuaded from voting due to the terrible candidates given to us.
31 Million idiots dictated the future of this country for everyone. Trump is not a conservative and pissed off idiots who didn't know what to be pissed off about gave us Trump. It's very unfortunate that Trumpins decided to irresponsibly channel their frustrations thru Trump.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:10 am to Slippy
quote:Modern "Democrats" would describe you as a greedy, racist, bigoted, sexist, xenophobic homophobe.
I am fiscally conservative, but I realize we have to pay for the infrastructure that makes our society civilized. I don't care much about social issues like gay marriage. I don't give two shits about social justice. I care about my 401k. I care about not getting killed by raghead terrorists. I just want to live my life in peace, in a peaceful and prosperous society. Why am I vilified?
Given that... does it make you want to go compromise with them?
That is why it's impossible to be a "moderate".
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:20 am to Slippy
quote:Who is the far-right? I don't even really know they are or what percentage of conservatives would qualify as being far-right. The far-left on the other hand is the same thing as "the left" nowadays. Don't buy into the widely accepted bs that both sides of the political spectrum are equally to blame for the hyper-partisan state of politics in the US.
I am a center-right Repub who thinks that the far right is as bad for America as the far left.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 6:19 am to Texas Weazel
quote:No, just ... no. Trump's a rich white guy. Had there ever been serious suggestion that he was racist, he would have been publicly destroyed long ago. The "racism" accusations only began flying once he was running for office, and posed a serious threat to an opponent willing to play the race card.
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He's never been perceived as racist or anti-semitic
That's a lie. There was stuff out there about him even before he decided to run.
On the other hand, lots of black people who've met him (athletes, entertainers etc) seemed to like and respect him. I imagine that once you go past the public persona, he's a decent enough guy, for a cutthroat businessman.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 6:25 am to Slippy
Why do you care what others think of you? Don't.
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