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re: Why doesn't Trump take the lead on Obamacare repeal?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:42 pm to SoulGlo
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:42 pm to SoulGlo
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Why does the Art of the Deal Dealmeister have a hands-off approach on one of his biggest campaign promises and what will likely be signature legislation?
At this point because the many failures to get it done will make him look bad as a leader. It's easier for him to shrug off it's failure to get done on others.
This is right from his playbook.
Donald is not a leader.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:54 pm to Haughton99
And if it passes and it is not popular, he will say he didn't like it, or it was too mean, etc., and blame it on Congress.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 3:44 pm to Haughton99
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. He would need at least a minimal knowledge of the actual contents of the bill to be able to sell it to the public.
Do you recall the healthcare roundtable meeting where Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor exposed obama's complete lack of ACA knowledge?
barry's lack of awareness didn't prevent him from talking his fool head off about the bill. You know, the one that would allow you to keep your doctor and your plan and would cost you a whole lot less.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 3:59 pm to SoulGlo
Unfortunately I don't think he knows enough about it to speak with authority/persuasiveness on the subject. I don't think he knows the details of the ACA or the details of the proposed repeal/replacement bills. When I've heard him talk about ACA and repeal/place he always speaks in broad strokes and platitudes rather than details. In other words I don't think he can take the lead on it other than at a very high/broad level and that's not enough at this point. Devil is in the details now.
ETA: I will add that Obama didn't have much mastery of the details of ACA either even though it was called "Obamacare." Neither Trump nor Obama are really policy wonk / legislative detail types. I'll say that Obama was much better at faking that shite though.
ETA: I will add that Obama didn't have much mastery of the details of ACA either even though it was called "Obamacare." Neither Trump nor Obama are really policy wonk / legislative detail types. I'll say that Obama was much better at faking that shite though.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:00 pm to SoulGlo
Because he knows dick about health care. That's it...dick. The best part is, he's content to just know dick and pretend to be smart.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:02 pm to SoulGlo
Because the buck only stops with him if it's something that makes him look good. He's not going to own anything that could possibly fail.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:19 pm to SoulGlo
He called the congressional leaders to the White House and pressured them to get something done after they failed to get a vote.
He piled pressure on them at rallies, repeatedly calling them out for not getting a vote.
He called them repeatedly and worked behind the scenes to spur them.
Gingrich today just said that the vote today would never have happened if not for Trump pressuring them, calling them out in public to the people, and continuously talking to them and convincing them that they had to do something.
Short of walking to the Capitol and beating them with a stick Charles Sumner style I'm not sure what else he could have done.
He piled pressure on them at rallies, repeatedly calling them out for not getting a vote.
He called them repeatedly and worked behind the scenes to spur them.
Gingrich today just said that the vote today would never have happened if not for Trump pressuring them, calling them out in public to the people, and continuously talking to them and convincing them that they had to do something.
Short of walking to the Capitol and beating them with a stick Charles Sumner style I'm not sure what else he could have done.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:35 pm to Snipe
quote:This is going to be the easiest Presidency in the history of this country. He doesn't have to do anything because he has built-in excuses on every single issue.
What, Republicans can not even get a bill to Trump to sign and it's Trumps fault???
You do understand, don't you, that the establishment put Trump in office simply to calm down the rednecks for the next 4-8 years, so they'll continue to grease the wheels and not revolt against the establishment.
I mean, I'm not breaking any news here am I?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:03 pm to SoulGlo
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Why does he sit back and push for GOPe to get their bill passed? Obama did lying tours, national TV shows to sell the lies, and pushed what he wanted to say about the plan.
Why does the Art of the Deal Dealmeister have a hands-off approach on one of his biggest campaign promises and what will likely be signature legislation?
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TRUMP: But what it does, Maggie, it means it gets tougher and tougher. As they get something, it gets tougher. Because politically, you can’t give it away. So pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. Here’s something where you walk up and say, “I want my insurance.” It’s a very tough deal, but it is something that we’re doing a good job of.
Because he doesn't know the first fricking thing about healthcare policy, thats why. If he did he wouldn't be pushing for this abhorrent trash the GOP continues to put out. Wouldn't be desperately seeking to get a "win" with it.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:26 pm to Hawkeye95
He wants nothing to do with complexities.
Just pass something.
Clueless.
Just pass something.
Clueless.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:28 pm to SoulGlo
Seems like he is the taking the lead this time. Republicans wouldn't have vote the way they did today without TRUMP publicly shaming them and holding them to account on behalf of the their voters and the American People.
Thank you, Mr. President!
Thank you, Mr. President!
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:34 pm to Seldom Seen
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Seems like he is the taking the lead this time. Republicans wouldn't have vote the way they did today without TRUMP publicly shaming them and holding them to account on behalf of the their voters and the American People.
They voted to debate lol.
How much lower can the bar go before its just sitting on the floor?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:46 pm to Snipe
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What, Republicans can not even get a bill to Trump to sign and it's Trumps fault???
Why did you skip the part where Trump repeatedly promised throughout the campaign that he had a plan that would provide coverage for everyone for dirt cheap? I know y'all want to forget that part and act like Trump isn't responsible but he is as much to blame as congress.
If only there were people that tried to warn y'all back during the primaries that Trump was full of shite....
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:49 pm to TerryDawg03
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Because he's letting the legislature (try to) do its thing. Otherwise, people would start calling him a fascist again.
So now Trump is worried about people saying mean things about him? And y'all want to claim that the POTUS more worried about people saying mean things than getting something done is equal to Reagan?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:49 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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If only there were people that tried to warn y'all back during the primaries that Trump was full of shite....
You voted for Kasich in the primary and he was going to keep Obamacare.
Who is full of shite?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:54 pm to JuiceTerry
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He's not going to own anything that could possibly fail.
We have a winner. That is exactly why he tried so hard to label the house bill "Ryancare" instead of "Trumpcare". He is more worried about the branding ability of the name Trump than anything else in this world. If his company can't sell the name anymore after he leaves office then it will go under.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:56 pm to MrLarson
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Who is full of shite?
your boy Trump. Nothing in my post isn't true. I have said since day one that trump was full of shite. I've accurately described his campaign as the same as a class president in high school. "Vote for me and I will get rid of homework"
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:01 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
You also say you're a moderate but the only people on this site you ever agree with are the likes of juice and a want.
Trump owns so much space ain your head
Trump owns so much space ain your head
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:03 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Why did you skip the part where Trump repeatedly promised throughout the campaign that he had a plan that would provide coverage for everyone for dirt cheap? I know y'all want to forget that part and act like Trump isn't responsible but he is as much to blame as congress.
If only there were people that tried to warn y'all back during the primaries that Trump was full of shite....
Listen, this is 2017, not 2010.
Back then, if you are president and congress doesn't give you everything you want, tough shite, you own it anyways. If the other party is being obstructionist and refusing to come to the table, thats on you. We didn't separate and acknowledge the branches of government. They were one and the same. If your president and your party is in power that is. Which meant it was all on you Mr. President! What goes down is a direct reflection on you. Every step of the way is the step you pushed them on. Every failure of the healthcare system your failure.
But this is 2017. Trump is president. Nowadays we have to respect nuance. We need to understand that Trump is just the guy waiting on congress to send him a bill, and if he signs that bill and it still has some shitty parts, well, we now need to respect that he did the best he could given the circumstances. We should blame the other party this time. It's not his fault if shitty stuff may happen after he promised to take up the issue. He doesn't own healthcare. Thats 2009 thinking, we are more evolved today.
Times have changed. Why don't you see that??
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:13 pm to elposter
quote:before the ACA passed Obama went to the House Republicans retreat in Baltimore and answered questions, on live TV, for 80 minutes.
I will add that Obama didn't have much mastery of the details of ACA either even though it was called "Obamacare."
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the idea of trump doing that on any topic at all is comical.
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