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Why does the president have to single out these groups who are bad news?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:39 am
He made a broad statement to the obvious...
there are many sides"
I am sorry CNN and others who say there is but one side at fault but it's true....many sides, many people, many situations, many opinions exist when conflict comes about....why does everyone have to be grouped into a bucket with a label? Labeling sucks and takes away from the individual to you know "give their side".
8000 people out of 360 million is not a massive problem is it? I don't think so...
CNN is just trying to drive the narrative ...
but let's say Trump comes out and blast these groups...
then what?
what changes? You think these people are going to change their views? You think it matters to Trump's political ambitions whether he singles out the KKK or not?
How about people stop protesting in the first place and get to work!
there are many sides"
I am sorry CNN and others who say there is but one side at fault but it's true....many sides, many people, many situations, many opinions exist when conflict comes about....why does everyone have to be grouped into a bucket with a label? Labeling sucks and takes away from the individual to you know "give their side".
8000 people out of 360 million is not a massive problem is it? I don't think so...
CNN is just trying to drive the narrative ...
but let's say Trump comes out and blast these groups...
then what?
what changes? You think these people are going to change their views? You think it matters to Trump's political ambitions whether he singles out the KKK or not?
How about people stop protesting in the first place and get to work!
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:40 am to ApexTiger
"Islamic" terrorism
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:41 am to ApexTiger
leftists feelings get hurt over everything
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:42 am to ApexTiger
Why did he single out Merck?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:42 am to ApexTiger
the "calling out specific groups" thing is pretty weak
for one, none of these groups are really organized and the generic terms being thrown around to describe these groups have all kinds of definitions
Obama didn't touch naming specific groups for a reason and it's the same reason Trump won't
for one, none of these groups are really organized and the generic terms being thrown around to describe these groups have all kinds of definitions
Obama didn't touch naming specific groups for a reason and it's the same reason Trump won't
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:45 am to ApexTiger
Trump's statement was perfectly clear, reasonable, and appropriate. He didn't fall into the trap of tacitly justifying leftist thuggery by following the media's narrative of extrapolating a single incident into defining the entire context of Charlottesville. It also seemed more than prudent given that there was little confirmed information on what exactly was taking place.
The cacophany of condemnation of the president for "missing an opportunity," whatever the hell that bs is supposed to mean, was laughable. He has ten times more spine than the bulk of the Republican career politicians who saw fit to jump on CNN and join the criticisms of a president who plainly condemned bigotry, hatred, and violence.
The cacophany of condemnation of the president for "missing an opportunity," whatever the hell that bs is supposed to mean, was laughable. He has ten times more spine than the bulk of the Republican career politicians who saw fit to jump on CNN and join the criticisms of a president who plainly condemned bigotry, hatred, and violence.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:46 am to ApexTiger
Because he's the President and one particular side, the side that argues for white nationalism, has attached itself to him and his Presidency. He curried favor with them during his campaign, and refused to distance himself from them then.
It won't change their views, but him flatly rejecting the things they stand for diminishes their power and influence. His ambiguous statement over the weekend gave them the cover they needed to continue.
It won't change their views, but him flatly rejecting the things they stand for diminishes their power and influence. His ambiguous statement over the weekend gave them the cover they needed to continue.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:49 am to The Spleen
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The Spleen
Change your name to The Labia
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:50 am to The Spleen
quote:
Because he's the President and one particular side, the side that argues for white nationalism, has attached itself to him and his Presidency. He curried favor with them during his campaign, and refused to distance himself from them then.
It won't change their views, but him flatly rejecting the things they stand for diminishes their power and influence. His ambiguous statement over the weekend gave them the cover they needed to continue.
If there wasn't CNN raising this BS 24/7 would you think the same way?
what did you think right after the statement?
did it change after turning on the media?
the are evil doers! Crap stirrers....
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:50 am to The Spleen
No need to specifically call out one group when BOTH sides are racist and violent. When the media actually covers these type of events with the same amount of conviction, then they might have an argument
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:51 am to The Spleen
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He curried favor with them during his campaign, and refused to distance himself from them then.
It's only August, so there is time still, but this is in the running for specious argument of 2017.
Eta: it's also factually a complete fabrication.
But muh Bannon and muh Breitbart!!!!
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:51 am to The Spleen
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Because he's the President and one particular side, the side that argues for white nationalism, has attached itself to him and his Presidency. He curried favor with them during his campaign, and refused to distance himself from them then.
who is "them"? be specific
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:52 am to ApexTiger
when he speaks in generalities and without specificity, it allows room for pieces of shite like david duke to fill in the blanks for his racist agenda.
If trump disavows that faction, then Duke's comments ring hollow and, likely, get little traction.
If trump disavows that faction, then Duke's comments ring hollow and, likely, get little traction.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:52 am to The Spleen
You could guest host a CNN show.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:54 am to 9th life
Dear God, do you think the president is there to think for us all? You should try NK. Maybe suits your disposition better. I hear they have nukes now too!
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:55 am to 9th life
Trumps has disavowed Duke many times. Pay attention. Duke doesn't speak for Trump supporters
Posted on 8/14/17 at 8:58 am to Salmon
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who is "them"? be specific
I thought my post was pretty specific. The "them" is the white nationalist faction. The ones that organized the march and protest in Charlottesville. The ones that were emboldened by Trump's campaign and message.
And anyone with a brain understands why he won't disavow them and single them out. One, it undermines his entire America first message. And two, it gives legitimacy to those that have been pointing out that element to his campaign for over a year now.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:01 am to The Spleen
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The ones that were emboldened by Trump's campaign and message.
Current runner up for specious argument of the year. Do you people even try?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:02 am to Salmon
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who is "them"? be specific
that's my question
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:18 am to Bunyan
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Duke doesn't speak for Trump supporters
I realize that, which is why I said that he (duke) uses the wiggle room left by trumps comments to further his (duke's) racist agenda.
sorry for not being clearer, I am not saying that Trump's speech is an endorsement of white supremacists, or that Trump supporters are all racists. I am saying that in speaking vaguely he has allowed the room for these parasites to leach on to his platform. to call them out by name or identify them isn't because he is one of them, it is to prevent his message from being hijacked.
Obama did the same thing with BLM when it was escalating. By not calling them out on it, it allows them to use that gray area to carve out legitimacy and attach themselves to the agenda.
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