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re: Why does Planned Parenthood have people accosting me on the street?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:33 pm to sabes que
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:33 pm to sabes que
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Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb... -Isiah 44:24 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. Psalm 139:13
How does either of these two verses contradict that life begins at conception?
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:38 pm to DawgfaninCa
I don't think you understand the cleansing of the Temple, at all.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:46 pm to Revelator
So, as you can see, there are other verses that talk about God forming life in the womb. I guess you could say in all those cases he was just referencing that specific person, like you said about Jeremiah. But if you say that, couldn't you say the same thing about the knowing part?, that it was just talking about him specifically?
Also, it is interesting that you, someone who knows a lot about the bible, jumped to God choosing a specific person and/or treating them differently. Because God does like to play favorites doesn't he?
"Was not Esau Jacob's brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart"
"For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."
" However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you."
Also, it is interesting that you, someone who knows a lot about the bible, jumped to God choosing a specific person and/or treating them differently. Because God does like to play favorites doesn't he?
"Was not Esau Jacob's brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart"
"For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."
" However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you."
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:48 pm to sabes que
To be a "Chosen People," God does have to play favorites
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:51 pm to sabes que
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Also, it is interesting that you, someone who knows a lot about the bible, jumped to God choosing a specific person and/or treating them differently. Because God does like to play favorites doesn't he?
God knows the end from the beginning and we do not. God's decision making is based on foreknowledge so therefore, perfect. If you knew beforehand that a guy was going to blow up a bomb vest in a public area and you thwarted him by lethal force, you would be considered a hero and not a murderer. Foreknowledge is powerful.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:54 pm to Revelator
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How does either of these two verses contradict that life begins at conception?
I never said they did. I asked, if God "forms" us in the womb, like the verses say, why wouldn't you oppose contraception? Because with no form of birth control, God would still have to form the baby. And remember, "God doesn't make mistakes"
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:56 pm to Joshjrn
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For the same reason some Christian organization bothers me when I'm trying to walk to the 19th JDC in Baton Rouge each morning, I would assume.
So you agree..PP mind set is like a religion.
Thanks for the honest evaluation of the organization and yourself.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:06 pm to sabes que
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I never said they did. I asked, if God "forms" us in the womb, like the verses say, why wouldn't you oppose contraception? Because with no form of birth control, God would still have to form the baby. And remember, "God doesn't make mistakes"
Because God allows man to have a part in the creating process by providing the sperm and the woman, an egg. You are trying to take this scenario to a ridiculous level to prove a point.
The Bible says that we shouldn't worry about our day to day needs because God cares for the sparrows and surely cares for us more. Should we not work to test this principle? Of course not, we have a responsibility in the process as well. The same could also be said about many scriptures where there is an expectation that man does his part.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:11 pm to sabes que
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I asked, if God "forms" us in the womb, like the verses say, why wouldn't you oppose contraception? Because with no form of birth control, God would still have to form the baby. And remember, "God doesn't make mistakes"
Since "God" doesn't make mistakes then it isn't a mistake for "God" to allow human beings to have the free will to invent contraceptives and to use them until they decide when it is the right time to conceive a child.
However, when the child has been conceived and is a fetus which will eventually be born then aborting that fetus is in reality murder because it is the deliberate ending of a future human being's life so that they can't be born.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:15 pm to udtiger
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To be a "Chosen People," God does have to play favorites
The bible really provides no reason as to why God chose the Israelites. Arbitrarily choosing one people over another definitely insinuates "playing favorites."
Also what about the other verses I brought up?
God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. (Before they were born, not because of anything Esau did)
Chose Moses, but hardened Pharaoh's heart and killed his son.
Forgave Paul for persecuting Christians, and Peter for denying him outright. But sent a bear to kill 42 people for making fun of Elisha(his chosen prophet)for being bald.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:19 pm to sabes que
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The bible really provides no reason as to why God chose the Israelites. Arbitrarily choosing one people over another definitely insinuates "playing favorites."
Again, you are discounting God's foreknowledge in the process of his actions. If you knew all things in advance of them happening, your choices would be perfect is as God's.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:20 pm to sabes que
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quote: To be a "Chosen People," God does have to play favorites The bible really provides no reason as to why God chose the Israelites. Arbitrarily choosing one people over another definitely insinuates "playing favorites."
Abraham...
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:23 pm to Revelator
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God knows the end from the beginning and we do not. God's decision making is based on foreknowledge so therefore, perfect.
This also completely negates free-will. If God knows that someone is going to commit an action, or choose "A" instead of "B". Then that person has no choice in the matter. If he knew you were going to post in this thread tonight, you could not have done otherwise.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:29 pm to sabes que
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This also completely negates free-will. If God knows that someone is going to commit an action, or choose "A" instead of "B". Then that person has no choice in the matter. If he knew you were going to post in this thread tonight, you could not have done otherwise.
I don't discount the possibility that God has foreordained everything from the beginning, and there are some that believe this, but knowing in advance isn't equal to causing.
Suppose you were watching a replay of the LSU bowl game against Louisville, you would know in advance who won and what happened on particular plays without having any direct involvement in making those things happen.
And I do believe that at the very least,man has limited will.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:33 pm to sabes que
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The bible really provides no reason as to why God chose the Israelites. Arbitrarily choosing one people over another definitely insinuates "playing favorites."
Also what about the other verses I brought up?
God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. (Before they were born, not because of anything Esau did)
Chose Moses, but hardened Pharaoh's heart and killed his son.
Forgave Paul for persecuting Christians, and Peter for denying him outright. But sent a bear to kill 42 people for making fun of Elisha(his chosen prophet)for being bald.
"God" also said in the Old Testament of the Bible (Job:41) that Leviathan exists and describes it in detail.
What "God" described as Leviathan looks exactly like the animal my brother and I saw on February 5, 1985 from only 20 yards away.
Scientists and nonbelievers refuse to admit that the animal my brother and I saw from only 20 yards away exists because if they admitted the animal exists then they would also have to admit that some portions of the Bible are correct and the scientific community which has always declared the existence of the animal just a myth is incorrect.
Why is the scientific community afraid of the truth?
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:34 pm to Wtodd
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They want you to impregnate them so they can have an abortion
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Since "God" doesn't make mistakes then it isn't a mistake for "God" to allow human beings to have the free will to invent contraceptives and to use them until they decide when it is the right time to conceive a child.
So he just got tired of always having to make the decision on whether to form a baby in the womb on that particular occasion? I guess that is nice to allow us to make that decision, but it also seems like a big responsibility. Seems like a supreme being would have been better off holding onto the reins.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
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What "God" described as Leviathan looks exactly like the animal my brother and I saw on February 5, 1985 from only 20 yards away.
And here we go..............:)
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:37 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It's usually 20-something girls (but some guys) with clipboards. What are they doing and why won't they leave me alone? It seems to have been going on fairly regularly (at least in New Orleans) for over a year.
Some of them tried to talk to me a few months ago while walking int he Quarter with my wife and infant son. I pointed to our son and said "As you can see, we aren't the biggest fans. But thank y'all for your work controlling the black population." I swear to jesus that is what I said, and both my wife and the kids gave me disgusted looks. The kids walked away before I could say anything more.
To any blacks on this board, I don't really mean that, it was to intentionally offend the SJW chucklefricks.
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