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Why do you want the Government out of welfare
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:14 am
From reading some of the older threads, I noticed some of you detest welfare. Yet never mention corporate welfare.
You say that welfare should be left to churches and charity. The problem is that the needs of the poor far supersede what a few megachurches and charity organizations can accomplish.
I know that many of you are 50+ old adults and people may have been more charitable in the past. However, the working poor in this country need something more stable.
I think we also need to accept the fact opportunities for the average Joe are disappearing. They exist, but not to the same level of 50s or 60s.
I realize that you don't want fedreal money to be used. However, federal money is used to bail out unsuccessful big businesses (which itself goes against free market conservative belief).
You say that welfare should be left to churches and charity. The problem is that the needs of the poor far supersede what a few megachurches and charity organizations can accomplish.
I know that many of you are 50+ old adults and people may have been more charitable in the past. However, the working poor in this country need something more stable.
I think we also need to accept the fact opportunities for the average Joe are disappearing. They exist, but not to the same level of 50s or 60s.
I realize that you don't want fedreal money to be used. However, federal money is used to bail out unsuccessful big businesses (which itself goes against free market conservative belief).
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 10:15 am
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:15 am to volod
So in can shoot poors and minorities when they riot and steal out of desperation duh
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:17 am to volod
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Yet never mention corporate welfare.
i detest corporatism, crony capitalism, crapitalism, or whatever term you want to use for this term
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However, federal money is used to bail out unsuccessful big businesses (which itself goes against free market conservative belief).
you weren't around for this, but in 2008 when Bush was trying to push through TARP, this board flipped out and organized to contact US Reps to vote No. when the first vote was against TARP it was like fricking Christmas on here
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:17 am to volod
Most conservatives detest generations being on welfare. All we are saying is get a fricking job and contribute to society at some point.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:18 am to volod
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Why do you want the Government out of welfare
Define the term as you see it. I think you're laboring under a delusion that people--in the vernacular of the left--what poor people to die and starve, blah, blah, blah.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:18 am to volod
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From reading some of the older threads, I noticed some of you detest welfare. Yet never mention corporate welfare.
I'm completely against corporate welfare, but this a silly comparison.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:19 am to volod
I want the government out of about 85% of what it does, because it is all unconstitutional.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:20 am to Strannix
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shoot poors and minorities when they riot and steal out of desperation
I never understood why we couldn't mandate a workfare system. Make people work for their benefits. Implement a free training program in a skill the market needs. Give them welfare jobs (basically job programs geared for welfare people)
As they work to receive benefits, pay them below market value. This will convince them to get off the program.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:21 am to volod
quote:The word you're looking for is "exceed." Supercede means replace, preempt, displace or oust.
far supersede
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:21 am to volod
I detest corporate welfare more than individual welfare.
One of my main gripes with Trump.
One of my main gripes with Trump.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:24 am to Salmon
Most corporate welfare has nothing to do with the federal gov
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:25 am to Strannix
quote:Or they could start living responsibly like the rest of us.
So in can shoot poors and minorities when they riot and steal out of desperation duh
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:25 am to volod
There should be a safety net. A temporary reprieve for anyone who has fallen on desperate times. It should not become a way of life and it should not become a generational birthright.
What we've been doing for the past 60 years does not work.
What we've been doing for the past 60 years does not work.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:26 am to volod
I'd like to get people out of welfare.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:28 am to volod
People have to be incentivized to get off of welfare. A good step would be reforming food stamps. Only allow for the purchase of a few essentials, no sodas, chips, steaks, etc. People wouldn't be so comfortable with staying on food stamps and eating rice and beans.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:28 am to volod
quote:The Republican congress passed that type of welfare reform as part of its "contract with America" in 1995.
I never understood why we couldn't mandate a workfare system. Make people work for their benefits. Implement a free training program in a skill the market needs.
Bill Clinton vetoed it twice before his pollster, Dick Morris, told him if he vetoed it a third time he would lose his 1996 re-election bid. So, Clinton signed it into law the third time congress passed it. And it was working fine. Welfare leeches had to either actively look for work or be enrolled in job training in order to continue receiving benefits.
Obama gutted the main "workfare" and training provision of the bill via executive order in 2012.
Here's a write up about what Obama did:
LINK
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:28 am to volod
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Make people work for their benefits. Implement a free training program in a skill the market needs. Give them welfare jobs (basically job programs geared for welfare people)
You should realize that a large number of the chronically poor are unwilling to or are incapable of working as a result of their extreme dysfunction.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:30 am to volod
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I noticed some of you detest welfare. Yet never mention corporate welfare.
We all basically get welfare from the government. Marriage tax breaks, children tax breaks, subsidies for this and that, etc. Same thing.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:31 am to volod
I don't have an issue with welfare when it's used to help someone who's hit a hard time in their life. What I don't like seeing is when it becomes a permanent dependency for the rest of a recipient's life. I would rather see Gov spend more of its tax dollars building up infrastructure and education so that people stuck in a rut may habe the opportunity to better their lives.
I would als like to see the Gov put an end to companies selling out and sending jobs to foreign countries. Keep those jobs here so that uneducated and low skill workers can still earn an honest living.
I don't have an issue with helping someone when they're down, but eventually he has to pick himself up.
There may be exceptions to the rule, but that is my general belief.
I would als like to see the Gov put an end to companies selling out and sending jobs to foreign countries. Keep those jobs here so that uneducated and low skill workers can still earn an honest living.
I don't have an issue with helping someone when they're down, but eventually he has to pick himself up.
There may be exceptions to the rule, but that is my general belief.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:31 am to volod
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However, the working poor in this country need something more stable.
You are highlighting the exact problem people have.
Safety nets are awesome. Entitlements where you have people saying they "need your money" are where feathered get ruffled.
The expectation that the government or someone needs to come along and fix personal problems is the origin of a lot of problems in the country.
In addition, the system is rife with fraud and abuse. Everyone has seen examples at the store of those on welfare at the store but posessing luxuries. There's a point where they don't need it.....you are just subsidizing their disposable income.
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