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re: Why do you believe what you believe, Part 2: property rights vs discrimination
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:43 pm to kingbob
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:43 pm to kingbob
f the free market. The free market out no pressure on to end segregation. All in society need free access and prejudice is wrong. This is true in business. In your private club that's private.
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:47 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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The free market out no pressure on to end segregation
Wrong. It was the state and local governments that forced businesses to segregate, therefore un-"free"-ing the markets. A free market will not support segregation because automatically, segregation excludes potential customers and talent that other competitors can exploit, not to mention the public backlash that would result from companies actively discriminating. Without de-jure Jim Crowe, there would have been some, but fairly limited segregation in businesses which would have been all but eliminated with time and changing attitudes and demographics.
Think about this, why would you want to buy from someone who hates you? Why would you want to support the livelihood of someone who wishes you didn't exist?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:50 pm to kingbob
I want the ability to shop anywhere. Doesn't mean I have to. Chik Fil boycott crap last year. Hobby Lobby etc.
Didn't some want to boycott Walgreens or Starbucks.
My point is that Starbucks cannot say no Jews et
Didn't some want to boycott Walgreens or Starbucks.
My point is that Starbucks cannot say no Jews et
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:57 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I want the ability to shop anywhere. Doesn't mean I have to. Chik Fil boycott crap last year. Hobby Lobby etc.
Didn't some want to boycott Walgreens or Starbucks.
My point is that Starbucks cannot say no Jews et
But if Chik-fil-a wanted to not serve gays, then gays and all those people offended by such a policy wouldn't shop there. Media outlets would refuse to carry their ads, and their business would suffer greatly, leading to those people taking their business to a competitor without such a policy. With everyone's bigotry out in the open, people could pick and choose which places to spend their money at, picking those that produce the services they require while not offending their sensibilities.
If Starbucks said "no Jews", then in no time, there would be no "Starbucks". Discrimination is almost always a losing business strategy (it can occasionally be successful at the local level, but rarely). However, why do we need the government to keep that from happening? Wouldn't the loss of business and public perception be far worse than any legal consequences? Remember, legalizing discrimination wouldn't mean people couldn't sue in civil court for damages, just that there would be no legal consequences.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:10 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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It's called racism and its un American. if that's freedom you're clueless.
Racism and discrimination is natural. I am attracted to thin healthy white women with big tits. I am therefore discriminating against Mexicans, Blacks, Fatties and Slobs whose butts are bigger than their chests.
Perhaps you date women on a random basis to show how you do not discriminate. How sad.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:13 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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My point is that Starbucks cannot say no Jews et
Starbucks is owned by a Jew.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:15 pm to NoNameNeeded
No name how the hell do you take every thread and bring it back to Israel? Talk about a paranoid asswipe you are. Stay on topic if its not too tough for you
Can you take a leak or eat lunch without fixating on Israel? Damn
You ruin a good discussion
Can you take a leak or eat lunch without fixating on Israel? Damn
You ruin a good discussion
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:15 pm to Zach
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Starbucks is owned by a self-hating Jew.
FIFY
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:16 pm to Zach
Zack starbucks was just an example. and I'm married dating was 30 years ago. 30 th ann was Tuesday
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:17 pm to kingbob
King bob really? about Starbucks didn;t know
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:18 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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King bob really? about Starbucks didn;t know
No, that was a joke. He said Starbucks was owned by a Jewish person, negating the possibility of them discriminating against Jews, so I brought up the self-hating Jew stereotype. I'm a Jew, btw, so self-hating that I'm a Catholic.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:22 pm to NoNameNeeded
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I do this because I'm appalled by hypocrisy. Jews promote miscegenation and open immigration for white people and countries only, but have no problem whatsoever with the genocide of Gazans and other indigenous minorities in their apartheid state which they care about more than any other.
but we're not talking about that. We're talking about where should the line be between private property rights and discrimination. We're talking about when should discrimination be acceptable or unacceptable and why. Israel has no bearing in this discussion because they do not have the same legal history or concept of private property rights as America. Therefore, if you wish to discuss Israel, do so in another thread or start your own. It is a very complex topic worthy of in-depth discussion, but not pertinent to the topic at hand.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:23 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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. No this is America equal access
yes! and people with no shirts on should not be refused service! EQUAL ACCESS!!
actually freedom means freedom to discriminate, if someone doesn't want to do business with you, it's their right not your's to tell them they have to, if it's my property I should have the right to rent it to anybody I want to on the basis of what ever the hell I feel like, which means I don't have to rent it to anyone.
You "revolutionaries" are too clueless to know anything about freedom.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:24 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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and I'm married dating was 30 years ago. 30 th ann was Tuesday
Congrats. But why didn't you marry outside of your own race? Was that not that discrimination?
BTW... I'm a 17-3-19 guy.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:27 pm to Zach
My wife isn't Jewish ha ha
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:29 pm to NoNameNeeded
So no name you prejudiced so and so interacial marriage is bad? inter religion is bad?
I see how you brought Israel is to this now and yes I can see how you tied it together.
I see how you brought Israel is to this now and yes I can see how you tied it together.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:30 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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My wife isn't Jewish ha ha
That's not a race difference, ha ha.
So, tell me all about your black wife? We are fascinated with your story.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:04 pm to Zach
actually my son in law is black All American family
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:07 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
I assume you are not sexually attracted to you SIL. So, you really didn't answer my question on your discrimination.
BTW, my DIL is Mexican. But, since I'm a Cajun she is whiter than I am.
BTW, my DIL is Mexican. But, since I'm a Cajun she is whiter than I am.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:09 pm to kingbob
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Should private clubs have the right to exclude membership?
Yes. (A place that keeps it doors unlocked during the day and has a sign that says "OPEN" isn't a private club, BTW)
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Should churches?
Yes
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Should non-profits?
Depends. If they receive no federal funding and aren't engaged in providing public accommodation or housing they can usually be as bigoted as they like so far as the federal laws go.
quote:That's an extremely vague question.
Where do the rights of the business owner end and where do the rights of the costumer begin?
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Are our businesses really ours to do with as we wish?
Again, vague.
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What about rental property?
Unless its a fourplex or less and you reside in one of the units, you aren't allowed to discriminate in housing.
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Do we/should we have the right to do business with whom we want?
So long as the business isn't opened to the public, yes.
You seem to think you have some God given right to use taxpayer provided infrastructure to enable your customers to come to and from your business without those taxpayers getting a say in how your business operates. Wrong. If you don't want taxpayers having a say in how your business operates - just remove it from access by any roads that are hooked into the taxpayer provided interstate highway system. Since I'm sure you don't need any help from anyone to run your business - this should be no problem.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 3:10 pm
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