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Why do we need a new healthcare law? Why not repeal only?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:11 am
Poor people can go back to using Charity type system.
Nobody was being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
And most Americans were happy with their healthcare.
Nobody was being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
And most Americans were happy with their healthcare.
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:14 am to Cosmo
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Poor people can go back to using Charity type system.
Which is paid by the Charity fairy so this has no impact whatsoever on the pocketbooks of the middle class taxpayer.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:14 am to Cosmo
You are saying what Coulter has been saying: "Why do we have to destroy the system when 90% were happy with it? Why do you have to tear it all down for the 10% of people who can't afford insurance? If they are the problem, help them, don't destroy the system for the rest of us."
She's right, you know.
She's right, you know.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:15 am to Cosmo
The Dem narrative during the general election campaign was:
"The Republicans are going to take away your medical care, and your Medicaid and your Medicare."
I posted the links here and said 'I wonder why they left out social security?"
The campaign narrative made the GOP go wobbly so they put 'replace' in there.
"The Republicans are going to take away your medical care, and your Medicaid and your Medicare."
I posted the links here and said 'I wonder why they left out social security?"
The campaign narrative made the GOP go wobbly so they put 'replace' in there.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:16 am to Cosmo
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Nobody was being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
Yes they were. They weren't getting preventative care.
They weren't denied healthcare when they went to the emergency room with life threatening illnesses which we paid for in the form of much higher hospital rates.
Emergency care is a much greater cost to the public than preventative care.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:16 am to PygmalionEffect
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Which is paid by the Charity fairy so this has no impact whatsoever on the pocketbooks of the middle class taxpayer.
Was better than this obamacare mess
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:17 am to PygmalionEffect
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Yes they were. They weren't getting preventative care.
That was their choice
There were clinics out there offering very low cost preventive visits
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:18 am to PygmalionEffect
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Which is paid by the Charity fairy so this has no impact whatsoever on the pocketbooks of the middle class taxpayer.
Wrong. I'm middle class and my annual premiums were 3K lower. The charity hospitals are not nearly as expensive because those people aren't doctors yet and they need practice.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:18 am to Cosmo
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And most Americans were happy with their healthcare.
That's laughable.
Health insurance costs had been growing at three times the rate of inflation for the last 20 years, even with insurance companies having the right to deny coverage to people they thought might get sick.
Pubs are suffering from good ole days syndrome in their memory of things before ACA.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:24 am to PygmalionEffect
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Health insurance costs had been growing at three times the rate of inflation for the last 20 years, even with insurance companies having the right to deny coverage to people they thought might get sick.
Wrong. You're conflating health care costs with health insurance premiums. Premiums were relatively stable pre Obama. Then they skyrocketed after Obama to cover the subsidies for 'the poor.' Remember John Roberts "It's a tax."
Premium increases from Obamacare soaked the working man to pay for the non working poor.
To go back would = reduced premiums for people that always had insurance and no insurance for people who require a subsidy.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:25 am to Cosmo
Because the Republicans are weak and scared of what the mean things the Dem/MSM complex will say about them. I'm serious.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:35 am to Cosmo
I said this yesterday.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:41 am to udtiger
It was broke and needed fixing so much that the Dems were able to capitalize. Going back to that would simply open the door for the Dems to repeat with Obamacare 2.0.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:43 am to Cosmo
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Nobody was being denied healthcare before Obamacare
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:52 am to jeff5891
Link me to a story about somebody being turned away at a hospital for having no money
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:53 am to Cosmo
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Poor people can go back to using Charity type system.
There hasn't been a true Charity system in decades. Louisiana is the last state to have some part of it, and look at how it's destroying our state budget. The idea of a bunch of nuns and do-gooders helping people is a relic of the past. Even the teaching hospitals are crazy expensive to run.
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Nobody was being denied healthcare before Obamacare.
Nobody was denied in the emergency room. Tons of people could not afford preventive care, medicine, regular care, etc.
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And most Americans were happy with their healthcare.
This is true. We needed something... we still need something. We don't need to upend 90 percent of the market to fix 10 percent of it... but we need something that works for the 10 percent.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:55 am to rds dc
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Because the Republicans are weak and scared of what the mean things the Dem/MSM complex will say about them. I'm serious.
This was why they didn't do shite about Fannie/Freddie/Subprime when GWB was sounding the alarm. They were scared of being called racists.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:56 am to LSUFanHouston
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Nobody was denied in the emergency room. Tons of people could not afford preventive care, medicine, regular care, etc.
Again there were plenty of clinics offering cheap or in some cases free no insurance preventive visits.
And most chronic conditions can be treated with $4 walmart drugs.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:00 pm to Zach
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You're conflating health care costs with health insurance premiums.
Right, because there's obviously no correlation between healthcare costs and health insurance premiums. Gotcha.
The pubs didn't have a viable plan for ACA replacement with seven years to come up with something because the only thing they focused on was eliminating the 3.8% ACA tax on the super wealthy. They aren't very good at coming up with programs that help the middle class.
The 3.8% tax is only applied to unearned income, not W-2 income at levels above the +$200K range.
These taxpayers benefited from Bush's tax cut on the rich and only pay 15% on unearned income on dividends and capital gains so it's really just a small clawback on the more than generous tax cut they've enjoyed for 15 years.
For reference, I paid in 19.8% of my taxable income in federal income tax plus 7.65% of my gross in P/R tax giving me an effective federal income tax rate of over 28% on taxable income as an upper middle class taxpayer.
Sorry to bring information into your thread.
Obamacare a disaster.
Trumpcare is good.
how's that?
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:02 pm to Cosmo
Because Democrats have set the narrative, and Republicans(including Trump) have allowed them to do it.
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