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Why be upset with Ryan who doesn't want to pay for the Wall?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:49 pm
Lots of bashing of Ryan for potentially not funding Trump's Wall. Now, we're hearing that Trump might try to pressure for a government shutdown if he can't get funding for the Wall from Congress. The govt shutting down or not is Congress' decision, of course, but Trump really wants them to fund the Wall. Ryan seems to be opposing that.
So, people are mad at ... Ryan.
Why is there no anger at Trump who promised over and over and over and over and over and over again that we would build a Wall and Mexico would pay for it?
Now that he can't get Mexico to pay for it, he's flipped on the promise and wants Congress to pay for it. Where is the money coming from?
I have no problem with a Wall. It was one of Trump's proposals that I cared least about one way or the other. America has a right and obligation to secure the border. If a Wall works, then do it. If it won't then its stupid and wasteful but I have no interest in opposing it. I'm no expert in whether it will be effective.
But, why the anger with Ryan for not funding what Trump promised the American people that Mexico would pay for? Explain.
So, people are mad at ... Ryan.
Why is there no anger at Trump who promised over and over and over and over and over and over again that we would build a Wall and Mexico would pay for it?
Now that he can't get Mexico to pay for it, he's flipped on the promise and wants Congress to pay for it. Where is the money coming from?
I have no problem with a Wall. It was one of Trump's proposals that I cared least about one way or the other. America has a right and obligation to secure the border. If a Wall works, then do it. If it won't then its stupid and wasteful but I have no interest in opposing it. I'm no expert in whether it will be effective.
But, why the anger with Ryan for not funding what Trump promised the American people that Mexico would pay for? Explain.
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:51 pm to AlaTiger
Wasn't the idea always that Mexico would pay it back. Or at least that's what I understood. 
Nobody thought they were going to cut a check
Nobody thought they were going to cut a check
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:54 pm to AlaTiger
Because everyone is too worried about their team being right. Team Trump doesn't ever see anything wrong with what he does, because they understand that he's playing chess on some sort of multi-dimensional board.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:55 pm to AlaTiger
Mexico is not going to write a check!!!! Trump was going to pay for it from multiple sources that lead back to mexico. He's already cut off some funding to Mexico. We give them about 320$ Million a year and that combined with redoing Nafta can help pay for it. But that is down the road. Wall is getting built now so the funds have to come from Congress first and then pay for it on the back end from Mexico driven initiatives
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:59 pm to AlaTiger
Because Speaker Ryan said this...
Paul Ryan: U.S. to ‘Front’ Wall Money, Make Mexico Pay Later
And now he is taking it back and no one believes him when he says, "we will do it later."
What have they done so far? Nothing but try to pass Ocare 2.0 Ryan's Way...
Paul Ryan: U.S. to ‘Front’ Wall Money, Make Mexico Pay Later
And now he is taking it back and no one believes him when he says, "we will do it later."
What have they done so far? Nothing but try to pass Ocare 2.0 Ryan's Way...
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:00 pm to Pelican fan99
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Wasn't the idea always that Mexico would pay it back. Or at least that's what I understood. Nobody thought they were going to cut a check
No. The idea was always simply that we will build the Wall and Mexico will pay for it. No specifics. No answers to how.
It wasn't until much, much later that the idea was floated that they would reimburse us somehow. Then, even that has been dropped. Few to no specifics. Just campaign rally stuff for 18 months.
Now that it's not working, everyone is mad at Ryan.
If a company CEO makes promises for 18 months on funding a massive project and sells it to shareholders and the board and promises outside funding, then that funding never materializes and you find out he was full of crap the whole time, then the CEO pushes forward with the project and wants the shareholders to pay for it and wants the board to take money from other sectors of the company or he'll shut the company down, people might think that CEO is crazy. He might get fired. No one would blame the board or shareholders for not going along (I know companies work different - I'm just thinking about how this would be perceived if Trump were a CEO).
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:00 pm to AlaTiger
First of all, he's a cuck, which is a crime in trumps America
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:02 pm to TigerB8
quote:
Mexico is not going to write a check!!!! Trump was going to pay for it from multiple sources that lead back to mexico. He's already cut off some funding to Mexico. We give them about 320$ Million a year and that combined with redoing Nafta can help pay for it. But that is down the road. Wall is getting built now so the funds have to come from Congress first and then pay for it on the back end from Mexico driven initiatives
Are these future payments extracted from Mexico guaranteed? Will they go for Wall or some other government boondoggle? What assurances do we have that the future money will pay for the Wall now?
The 2010 Tea Party would have been marching in the streets opposing this kind of thing. Now? They praise it. What a farce.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:04 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
No. The idea was always simply that we will build the Wall and Mexico will pay for it. No specifics. No answers to how.
This is incorrect.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:05 pm to cajunangelle
quote:
And now he is taking it back and no one believes him when he says, "we will do it later."
You your big concern is Ryan taking something back and not Trump making the American tax payer pay for the Wall?
Soon, the payment for the Wall will be false calculations about what illegal immigrants would have cost us in funding for school kids over 50 years. See? Wall paid for!
What a lie.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:06 pm to AlaTiger
quote:your dumbass is showing
No. The idea was always simply that we will build the Wall and Mexico will pay for it. No specifics. No answers to how.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:08 pm to AlaTiger
Trump doesn’t care if the “government shuts down”. It will allow him to control spending entirely.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:10 pm to Pelican fan99
Your's is.
I listened to almost every speech the guy gave. I heard what he said over and over again.
The revisionist history of Trumpkins is pathetic and nothing but a pack of lies. You guys are giving Liberals and the Obamabots a run for their money. Just sad.
He said Mexico would pay for it. Show me where that is the calculation right now and how that will happen. What has Trump said right now to show us how Mexico will pay? Nothing.
Like I said, I don't oppose the Wall. I don't care. But, how will it be paid for?
I listened to almost every speech the guy gave. I heard what he said over and over again.
The revisionist history of Trumpkins is pathetic and nothing but a pack of lies. You guys are giving Liberals and the Obamabots a run for their money. Just sad.
He said Mexico would pay for it. Show me where that is the calculation right now and how that will happen. What has Trump said right now to show us how Mexico will pay? Nothing.
Like I said, I don't oppose the Wall. I don't care. But, how will it be paid for?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 1:23 pm to AlaTiger
Trump's tweet today about the Wall and who pays for it.
Eventually ... at a later date ... in some form ...
What a farce.
quote:
Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall.
Eventually ... at a later date ... in some form ...
What a farce.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:15 pm to Pelican fan99
quote:
Wasn't the idea always that Mexico would pay it back. Or at least that's what I understood.
If that was how you understood it then that was your own invention as there were never any details.
And you're not alone! This is the latest Trumpkin pivot. Now we're going to build the wall on our dime and then present a bill to Mexico and they will pay for it for some reason.
OR the newest pivot and likely to be the one left to hang their hat on: Illegal immigration is down. Illegal immigration costs us X dollars/year, therefore, the wall is paying for itself and this equates to Mexico paying for the wall.
This post was edited on 4/23/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:18 pm to cwill
Ryan is a fool. He is advancing the truism that Republicans can't govern. His ego is more important to him than long term success.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:35 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
You your big concern is Ryan taking something back and not Trump making the American tax payer pay for the Wall?
Soon, the payment for the Wall will be false calculations about what illegal immigrants would have cost us in funding for school kids over 50 years. See? Wall paid for!
What a lie.
You are close already.
Average Cost per student in public schools. is 11000 per year.
6.9% of all students in K-12. have illegal immigrant parents.
There were 50 million students in K-12.
So around 3.5 million are the children of illegals.
That = 38.5 billion a year paid by American taxpayers for their education.
This doesn't even address EBT cards, Subsidized housing, Medical care etc that winds up all being absorbed by taxpayers.
This post was edited on 4/23/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:38 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
No. The idea was always simply that we will build the Wall and Mexico will pay for it. No specifics. No answers to how.
Yes there was indeed. Go read on Trump's website.
He listed all kinds of scenarios through trade, visa and green card restrictions, etc.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:47 pm to Deuces
quote:
Yes there was indeed. Go read on Trump's website.
He listed all kinds of scenarios through trade, visa and green card restrictions, etc.
1. That information is no longer on Trump's website.
2. You're right, there were a lot of ideas on his website, but there was no concrete plan with financials. Never has been.
This post was edited on 4/23/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:49 pm to Deuces
Bottom line is this:
Normal people: Don't give a crap who pays for the wall. We want it built and the promise for Mexico to build it came long long after the call for it being built.
Liberals: Will harp on the USA not getting a check from Mexico before the wall is built to build it.
Reality of how Mexico is suppose to pay for the wall is that the building of the wall will in part if not entirely be paid for by Mexico through taxes. Things such as suggested but certainly not limited too taxes on money sent to mexico from the immigrants living in the US.
Normal people: Don't give a crap who pays for the wall. We want it built and the promise for Mexico to build it came long long after the call for it being built.
Liberals: Will harp on the USA not getting a check from Mexico before the wall is built to build it.
Reality of how Mexico is suppose to pay for the wall is that the building of the wall will in part if not entirely be paid for by Mexico through taxes. Things such as suggested but certainly not limited too taxes on money sent to mexico from the immigrants living in the US.
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