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re: Why are certain red states poor compared with blue states.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 3:07 pm to volod
Posted on 7/27/17 at 3:07 pm to volod
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if you have such a large problem with certain groups, why not create laws on the state level regarding mandatory employment or regulations regarding use of charitable donations.
Laws and govt handouts have decimated what was once one of the stronger family units in our society. More laws aren't the answer.
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 3:33 pm to Parmen
Yes. I did.
And the thing is, I really don't have a lot in common with most of the Blacks you all refer to.
I have a job. I do not commit crime. And I am not a "baby-daddy" (as of yet I don't have kids because of the responsibility)
And the thing is, I really don't have a lot in common with most of the Blacks you all refer to.
I have a job. I do not commit crime. And I am not a "baby-daddy" (as of yet I don't have kids because of the responsibility)
Posted on 7/27/17 at 3:41 pm to volod
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I have a job. I do not commit crime. And I am not a "baby-daddy" (as of yet I don't have kids because of the responsibility)
Hence why you are in the middle class and not contributing to the bad statistics the rural south is known for. Don't you work for DOTD? You're part of the decision-making/regulatory apparatus.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 3:50 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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In reality, Hispanic populations largely exist in America because blacks DIDN'T follow the jobs after 1964. Because blacks stayed put on public assistance, there were large swaths of the country where demands for low-skilled labor outstretched supply. Once again, the black market stepped in and a flood tide of millions of illegal immigrants filled the void left by those on entitlements. Hispanics moved from Latin America to where the jobs were. Blacks stayed where the jobs "used to be".
Unfortunate but true. However, one thing to also acknowledge is that every Black did not necessarily have to take the low-wage labor.
Around this time period, HBCU and a few predominantly white institutions started educating more Blacks. There was a Black middle class being creating, though obviously in its infancy.
Also, though it was not very common, some companies preferred illegals immigrants even if Blacks did take those jobs. Even though systemic racism was the norm, they found it easier to exploit Hispanics because had no rights to work in the US.
But the irony of this is that we are basically debating 'who became the next pack-mule of oppression'. This isn't to be derogatory at all towards Hispanics, as they were simply trying to provide for their families and the Mexican government (like today) was controlled by descendants of Spanish aristocracy and drug extortionist.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 4:05 pm to volod
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Also, though it was not very common, some companies preferred illegals immigrants even if Blacks did take those jobs. Even though systemic racism was the norm, they found it easier to exploit Hispanics because had no rights to work in the US.
Of course they did. Illegal immigrants didn't have to be paid minimum wage. They couldn't qualify for public assistance. If they didn't work, they didn't eat.
The market had a demand for labor. Government had skewed the domestic labor market by pricing the minimum wage higher than the market rate for minimum skill AND giving those with minimum skill a more lucrative means to make a living sans work. There were laborers needing work to feed their families. Through the black market, the free(ish) market found the price floor and equilibrium. Immigrants came to take the jobs and worked for very little to do so.
The problem with modern political thought is that we describe those people who labored as "exploited". They did a job for the price they were willing to accept for it. They made the most of their opportunities, which is why 2nd generation Hispanics are moving quickly into the middle class. The first generation labored in the fields, the second generation started construction businesses and restaurants. The third generation are becoming judges, doctors, engineers, and lawyers.
The problem with illegal immigration is not the immigrants. The problem is the government that makes those immigrants necessary and makes employing them so lucrative.
As for the black middle class, it is certainly growing, but is mostly made up of government employees. While there are many blacks in the private sector, the vast majority of middle class blacks are educators and bureaucrats. While many of those jobs maybe would be unnecessary under a smaller, less intrusive government, those people are not the biggest part of the problem. The way they contribute to the problem is through government employee unions, that take their money to campaign for who those employees will be employed by. That way, they can elect leaders who will make it impossible to fire them and have to hire more people, even when it's not needed. This is helping to contribute to government growing and growing unnecessarily. However, at least those people are doing something some of the time.
With that having been said, though, the biggest problem is always the entitled.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 4:26 pm to kingbob
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The problem with modern political thought is that we describe those people who labored as "exploited". They did a job for the price they were willing to accept for it.
To be fair, I think the problem comes from different interpretations of exploited.
In my case, I meant exploited by the standards you mentioned.
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course they did. Illegal immigrants didn't have to be paid minimum wage. They couldn't qualify for public assistance. If they didn't work, they didn't eat.
I am glad they were able to stay and make a better life for their posterity. I simply meant that they should have gotten public assistance when needed.
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the vast majority of middle class blacks are educators and bureaucrats. While many of those jobs maybe would be unnecessary under a smaller, less intrusive government, those people are not the biggest part of the problem. The way they contribute to the problem is through government employee unions, that take their money to campaign for who those employees will be employed by. That way, they can elect leaders who will make it impossible to fire them and have to hire more people, even when it's not needed.
I 100% agree. The truth is (and this is not an insult to those who love their profession) that many Blacks simply go into education because they feel it is an easier career path than industry. They go into political roles primarily because they want to use political pressure in the ways you described.
I personally did not want to take this route, especially seeing how inept many grade schools have become. It is tied DIRECTLY to the fact that bad professionals can not be fired over malpractices or incompetence.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 4:38 pm to volod
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I simply meant that they should have gotten public assistance when needed.
Why? They also didn't have to pay income tax. They wouldn't be subject to the draft in times of war. They were not paying payroll taxes.
However, they were getting free access to medical care via the ER's and their children were getting free public school educations. I fail to see how they were being exploited outside of wages.
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