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Who's a bigger threat to liberty - the government or large corporations?
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:11 pm
Government used to be the standard answer, but corporations now have the power to wipe you off the face of the earth by ruining your livelihood. They can band together and not allow you to have a bank account, deplatform you from having a public voice, and in the recent case of the guy that created the Pelosi video, dox you to threaten your personal safety with the help of social media platforms like Facebook.
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:12 pm to upgrayedd
The govt because it has a monopoly on the use of force
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:13 pm to upgrayedd
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Who's a bigger threat to liberty - the government or large corporations?
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:14 pm to upgrayedd
Government. Corporations don’t have the legal power to arrest or kill you.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The govt because it has a monopoly on the use of force
Not necessarily.
Dave Smith is a comedian and has a show called "Legion of Skanks" that he hosts with a couple other comedians. They recently had on Milo and it started the predictable shitstorm. So, when the twitter outrage began, people would tag Dave Smith and Antifa in the tweets because they knew it's basically a threat of violence. Twitter allows violent groups like Antifa to have a platform because they agree with the motives of Antifa. So, in essence, twitter has their own enforcement wing.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:17 pm to upgrayedd
They go hand in hand in modern America.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:19 pm to upgrayedd
Corporations because
A. Nobody elects them
B. They actually control the politicians we do elect
C. They aren't bound by constitutional protections (no First Amendment, etc.)
D. People are addicted to most of the products they produce and would never boycott them because they are sheep
A. Nobody elects them
B. They actually control the politicians we do elect
C. They aren't bound by constitutional protections (no First Amendment, etc.)
D. People are addicted to most of the products they produce and would never boycott them because they are sheep
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:21 pm to Douglas Quaid
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They go hand in hand in modern America
In a seemingly odd move, Zuckerberg asked the government to regulate Facebook. However, he knew he and others in the industry would essentially be the ones writing the legislation so it seems perfectly logical.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:21 pm to upgrayedd
The Gov could potentially help you if a big Corp did what you described. A Corp could not do the same if the roles are reversed.
Therefore government
Therefore government
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:24 pm to upgrayedd
The government......... BUT........ as we all know large corporations control the government, so there’s that.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:25 pm to upgrayedd
I would say corporations. They are unelected and have big money to throw at congressmen and twist them like pretzels. This makes the government spineless and leaves middle America unrepresented.
Middle America is basically colonized by large East and West coast corporate entities.
This is especially the case in regards to Media.
Middle America is basically colonized by large East and West coast corporate entities.
This is especially the case in regards to Media.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:25 pm to SelaTiger
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The government......... BUT........ as we all know large corporations control the government, so there’s that.
Yeah, that's the chicken/egg dilemma
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:25 pm to upgrayedd
Corporations because money talks and bullshite walks. Sure, each of them needs the other for necessary things, but in my mind money will always trump power in the hierarchy. Thus corps are the apex predator.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:45 pm to upgrayedd
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Yeah, that's the chicken/egg dilemma
I was just thinking about that. Even going all the way back to the caveman....once the semblance of a system of currency and value was established was it the meanest guy who could exert the most authority who reigned supreme or was it the "richest" guy? I say richest guy bc he'd simply hire a group of mercenaries to take care of meanest guy.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:47 pm to upgrayedd
They go hand in hand. You cannot have big government without big business and you cannot have big business without big government. A true free market is the only way you can eliminate wealth gaps.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:52 pm to Either Hill
The money man's definitely in control.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:53 pm to upgrayedd
The government can still frame you. Ask Flynn, Pap and even the President!
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:56 pm to upgrayedd
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Government
No contest, not even close
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:05 pm to CDawson
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The government can still frame you. Ask Flynn, Pap and even the President!
You don't think these social media companies can't frame you?
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Govt's necessarily the conduit, but are most of the threats to liberties originated by govt, or set into motion by corporate will/influence?
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