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re: White House Tells Public Schools To Enroll Illegals Despite Lack Of Age Or Addre
Posted on 5/9/14 at 2:38 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 5/9/14 at 2:38 pm to SpidermanTUba
The topic wasn't about them. It is about illegal aliens wanting to just come here and use all the resources without paying what they really should.
I love the part about even if their income is reported it wouldn't be enough to pay income taxes anyway. That means they would receive an earned income tax credit for thousands. While others who go out there and work hard to get into a good job position have to pay more to subsidize quasi legal and the other lazy welfare dredges of our society.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I love the part about even if their income is reported it wouldn't be enough to pay income taxes anyway. That means they would receive an earned income tax credit for thousands. While others who go out there and work hard to get into a good job position have to pay more to subsidize quasi legal and the other lazy welfare dredges of our society.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 5/9/14 at 2:46 pm to ASTL
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The topic wasn't about them. It is about illegal aliens wanting to just come here and use all the resources without paying what they really should.
Which isn't many of them. Most of them pay just about the same in taxes as they would owe if legal - and many pay more since even those who work under a false SSN typically don't file a return and low income earners usually get a check from the IRS - so the IRS keeps that.
Local schools are usually funded by sales and/or property taxes - which "illegals" pay just the same as anyone.
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That means they would receive an earned income tax credit for thousands.
Which they don't claim. So they actually are saving the IRS money.
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While others who go out there and work hard to get into a good job position have to pay more to subsidize quasi legal and the other lazy welfare dredges of our society.
Oh. I see. You just hate poor people. OK.
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You should be ashamed of yourself.
... and you wish to shame others for being poor or for not hating poor people like you do.
I'm guessing you're a big fan of the Brawndo.
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 2:50 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Brawndo
That's about the 43rd time you've used that today. First time seeing Idiocracy, I take it.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 2:54 pm to SpidermanTUba
Tuba, the point is that they are claiming they will enforce some laws and overlook others. The fact that they will go to any lengths to protect illegal immigrants from being denied public amenities all while ignoring that they are not here legally is some cause for concern. You can't blame people for asking questions as to why this is allowed to happen.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:In Texas, schools are funded by a property tax. I agree that illegals are paying for rent, which includes the cost of the taxation on the property. I will give you that.
Illegals aren't exempt taxation.
However, in a vast number of these dwellings, the head count of illegals is well in excess of the standards of the surrounding area so the population density can increase substantially, overwhelming the existing resources.
What's more, the census and other information gathering tools are used to determine *Federal* taxes allocated to the school districts. If an area is inundated by illegals that are usually unwilling to reveal much about the household status, this will lead to an inability of the schools to manage resources appropriately.
I completely disagree with the children and their illegal parents being here. It forms a nation of law-breakers in the process, both from those coming in and from those here who cater to them. It's an unnecessary strain on our government, our taxes, our infrastructure and our security. However, if at some point these people are to rise up and become citizens in some way, I'd much prefer them to be articulate in our language and laws than continue a life on the outside looking in. Although I abhor the fact that we have to because our *leaders* haven't the guts to deal with the problem.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:04 pm to SpidermanTUba
I do proudly hate any person that sits at home and collects a check without actually trying to work.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:08 pm to HubbaBubba
Thank you for making a much better point than I. Good point about illegals living at a much higher "density" than others. You will end up having thirty thousand illegal aliens in a city that aren't accounted for, and their kids will start sucking resources within the school. Kids of actual legal American citizens will suffer because now the school has to cut corners or is stretched too thin because of all the unaccounted for illegal aliens.
Spider...Why do you think illegal immigration is just okay?
Why are some laws okay to protect, but others not?
Spider...Why do you think illegal immigration is just okay?
Why are some laws okay to protect, but others not?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:21 pm to ASTL
quote:Something else to consider: in Texas there is a limitation on the taxes that can be collected by property mills. The only way that can be increased is if the cost valuation of the property increases. This placed enormous strains on the economy and schools in Texas as values dropped, as it did everywhere. Nothing special about Texas in that regard.
Thank you for making a much better point than I. Good point about illegals living at a much higher "density" than others.
However, they have this little "Robin Hood" law, requiring the districts that have a higher density of high valuation homes and other properties, to take out of the taxes that are *locally* raised, and then send those to other districts that are much poorer. There have been so many illegals flooding the state, and the schools have to allow the children to come to school, that every larger district in the state has had to cut back and reduce spending because the law requires all these districts to send their money to these other districts based on their need.
So, to make the point I'd made earlier even more clear, a school district in Texas can plan and prepare based on a tax base, but can't keep the money from their own citizens in-district, because the illegals in other areas are forcing those districts to ship away the dollars derived within the district... and there is nothing the district can do because the tax millages are already maxed out.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:35 pm to wickowick
so ANYONE then can go to any school of their choice and register, and not have to show where they live? or how old they are?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:41 pm to tigeraddict
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so ANYONE then can go to any school of their choice and register, and not have to show where they live? or how old they are?
Hi I am here for 9th grade...
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:50 pm to wickowick
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wickowick
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:53 pm to wickowick
Let's let as many people in this country as possible. The kind that are unskilled and have tons of kids then complain about the environment. While we are forced to destroy the environment to house and energize all of them.
-Liberals
-Liberals
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:56 pm to udtiger
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Plyler v. Doe...a motherfricking travesty.
Yeah, a bunch of kids get to go to school and learn and have a chance to be productive members of society... the absolute horror!
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:56 pm to boosiebadazz
Why is this OK but Bundy needs to be arrested for using land without paying fees?
Are the illegals paying taxes?
Are the illegals paying taxes?
This post was edited on 5/9/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/9/14 at 3:58 pm to Tiguar
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Why is this OK but Bundy needs to be arrested for using land without paying fees?
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:00 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Illegals aren't exempt taxation.
Jesus H Christ.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:02 pm to HubbaBubba
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So, to make the point I'd made earlier even more clear, a school district in Texas can plan and prepare based on a tax base, but can't keep the money from their own citizens in-district, because the illegals in other areas are forcing those districts to ship away the dollars derived within the district... and there is nothing the district can do because the tax millages are already maxed out.
Reminds me of a war that was once fought. Taxation without representation etc. They are paying for areas they have no representation in.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:10 pm to SpidermanTUba
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It has nothing to do with belief. They do. Its factually true. They pay every form of sales tax. If they are renting - their landlords still must pay property taxes. If they are somehow able to buy a home - they must pay the property taxes. If they buy gasoline or cigarettes or liquor - they pay those excise taxes. If they steal a social security number to get a job, they pay withholding taxes. The only tax out of all the possible forms of taxation that illegals don't pay come in the form of under the table cash payments for work - and if you think illegals are the only ones participating in that type of employment arrangement you're deluding yourself. And out of the illegals who have under the table cash jobs, many of those wouldn't owe income taxes anyway because their income is so low. You don't really wind up making enough to pay income tax if you're making sub-minimum wage.
This is precisely the reason the fair tax is the way to go. National sales tax allows taxation of illegals drug dealers tax cheats etc.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:21 pm to Adam Banks
I always thought a sales tax in lieu of income was the most fair. Has a built-in scale to affect richer people because they buy more/more expensive shite.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 4:46 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Which they don't claim. So they actually are saving the IRS money.
No, staying in their own country and not draining our resources saves us money.
I guess if I break in your house and only steal half of your stuff, I actually saved you money, because I didn't steal all of it.
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