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re: White House says Trump to sign broadband privacy repeal
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:35 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:35 pm to CptBengal
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is that hard to understand? Or are you so into identity politics that you expect everyone else to be that way to?
Well you been soooo pro trump falling in line with everything else.
I know we battled it out over NN but there as some good things it has. I don't want someone telling me how much internet I can use.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:35 pm to League Champs
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Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, etc already aggregate your browsing into ad revenue. Guess who you have to pass through to get to them? ISPs. So big tech strong armed the democrat leaning FCC to write a special rule that says ISPs cant do the same
The rule went into effect in Jan. This bill just overturns that arbitrary rule
And why should ISPs be permitted to do the same? No one is forced to use Google, Facebook, or Twitter. And even if you elect to use their services, their tracking doesn't extend beyond the reach of their services and ad networks. All of their services are also completely free.
ISPs can now monetize your entire online behavior profile without your consent. Searches. Tendencies. Interests. Likes. Dislikes. Worries. Other than your DNA, your web activity can reveal almost everything about you - and now ISPs have full control on collection and monetization of your personal information. All while charging you for it.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:37 pm to CptBengal
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this is bullshite.
Wait, are you about to criticize Trump.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:40 pm to Centinel
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ETA: Fun fact: This website uses Google analytics.
since like google analytics can put a name to search history though.
Yes FB can track what ads you click on and attribute that to your name but I think what ppl are worried about is that they will be able to say "bob searched this x amount of times" instead of user 1 searched this x amount of times.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:41 pm to Cs
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And even if you elect to use their services, their tracking doesn't extend beyond the reach of their services and ad networks
Do you understand just how big Google's ad network is?
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ISPs can now monetize your entire online behavior profile without your consent. Searches. Tendencies. Interests. Likes. Dislikes. Worries
ISPs can only monetize what websites you visit. Not what you're doing on them. They may know you're going to yahoo, but not what you're doing there.
Google has such a massive advantage over ISPs under this rule it's ridiculous. hell they have a massive advantage over EVERYONE. But no one says shite about them.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:42 pm to tke857
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Republican commissioners have said the rules would unfairly give websites the ability to harvest more data than internet service providers.
Then how about not allowing websites to harvest data as well?
It's not fricking rocket science.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:42 pm to tke857
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I think what ppl are worried about is that they will be able to say "bob searched this x amount of times"
But the ISP cannot see that. They can only see that you went to the search engine.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:42 pm to tke857
Not a fan of this at all
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:42 pm to Bard
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Then how about not allowing websites to harvest data as well?
It's not fricking rocket science.
Now this I completely agree with. What I don't agree with is the government picking winners. Everyone should follow the same rules.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:44 pm to tke857
Wouldn't selling internet communications and browser history violate 18USC 2511 2(A)? I haven't looked at it In a while, but I think service providers are restricted to accessing information for quality control checks. Anything above that is a crime. What am I missing?
ETA: looking at it now. Appears they are limited. All depends on if browser history is considered "electronic communication".
ETA: looking at it now. Appears they are limited. All depends on if browser history is considered "electronic communication".
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:45 pm to tke857
Good.
This would only increase everyone's internet bills. It's a regulation that hasn't taken effect and put in place laws nobody cared/knew about until now.
This would only increase everyone's internet bills. It's a regulation that hasn't taken effect and put in place laws nobody cared/knew about until now.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:48 pm to gatorsimz
What increases everyone's bill is lack of competition
Sub standard service with restrictions at an absurd price
Sub standard service with restrictions at an absurd price
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:49 pm to buckeye_vol
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Yes, but I choose to use those sites. I only have the choice of Time Wagner (now Spectrum) or AT&T when it comes to the Internet. The problem is that there isn't a real market for ISPs.
You choose to have Internet just as you choose to use it, right? Not sure the point of the distinction in this context. Everything you do on the Internet is logged, analyzed and used for some revenue stream. By every provider of every service except ISPs. The uproar of one (which is almost brand new anyway) over the other doesn't really solve anything does it?
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:50 pm to Centinel
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Do you understand just how big Google's ad network is?
Do you understand how trivial that network is if you're not logged in to your Google account?
I can clear the cookies in my browser and Google's "analytic" ad network suddenly has no effect and no personalization profile of my activity - because it's based on my previous habits, which I can control. If I install something like Ghostery, I don't have to worry about it at all.
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ISPs can only monetize what websites you visit. Not what you're doing on them. They may know you're going to yahoo, but not what you're doing there.
Unless you're using a VPN, or visiting a site with HTTPs enabled (which I wish would come to this site), they'll have access to your full behavior profile.
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Google has such a massive advantage over ISPs under this rule it's ridiculous. hell they have a massive advantage over EVERYONE. But no one says shite about them.
Then maybe the ISPs should build out their own ad network and media sites. No one is stopping them from doing that - they're just not willing to invest in something like that. They would rather engage in lobbying efforts to "rebrand" themselves into an advertising company with the likes of Google and Facebook, which they're not.
The simple fact is that you can use the internet while easily opting out and avoiding the tracking methods of sites like Google and Facebook. Not only that, but they're engaging in those methods because they're offering free services. With every ISP in existence, you're going to be paying a minimum of $~50 a month for internet access. They already have a product - internet access, for which they charge you monthly. With Google and Facebook, your activity in using their services is the product, which they can then sell to marketing and advertising agencies.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:53 pm to GRTiger
quote:But I need it for work, especially my consulting work. It's almost a necessity in 2017.
You choose to have Internet just as you choose to use it, right?
quote:But we have either limited or no choice in ISP providers, and unlike Facebook, Google, etc., I already pay for their services.
But every provider of every service except ISPs. The uproar of one (which is almost brand new anyway) over the other doesn't really solve anything does it?
It's easier to justify it when we more choices and we use sites that are free.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:56 pm to Centinel
You're so FOS. If you think Your ISP, can't see where you go, or for how long then I have ocean front property in TN to Sell you.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:00 pm to Cs
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I can clear the cookies in my browser and Google's "analytic" ad network suddenly has no effect and no personalization profile of my activity
Are you suggesting that your IP address is somehow erased when you delete your cookies?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:01 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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When do these monopolies ever lose?
If you want socialism sprinkled with communism this should please you. It's just part of the slow walk towards a fusion of socialism and corporatism. Once all the mega mergers are complete it will be much easier for the US globalized government to take the reigns either directly or through regulation strangulation and start running the show. Socialists/Communists need to understand how this process works because your leaders have been hiding this shite from you. BTW, AT+T is far from a monopoly but they're working on it.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:02 pm to League Champs
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Are you suggesting that your IP address is somehow erased when you delete your cookies?
Your IP has nothing to do with browsing habits.
and a simple release/renew can change your ip along with a vpn connection.
Do you know anything about the internet.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 3:04 pm to Centinel
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To stop the government from picking winners and losers when it comes to advertising revenue.
You can actually do something about Google and Facebook monitoring you without spending anything. You can't do much about an ISP monitoring you without spending money and having basic IT knowledge. Also, ISP monitoring follows you everywhere.
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