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Where has the Voucher System been effective exactly?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:23 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:23 am
I'm looking for statistics on it, can't find much meaningful evidence. Could be from a lack of reporting on a less than liberal topic, but whatever. Anybody here attended/had their kids attend schools using vouchers?
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:05 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
I can't help you with your query, however for political reasons the word "voucher" needs to changed to "credit".
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:36 am to GumboPot
quote:or "choice".
I can't help you with your query, however for political reasons the word "voucher" needs to changed to "credit".
So the question is not "Where has the Voucher System been effective exactly?", but rather "Where has a system allowing school choice been ineffective?"
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:46 am to NC_Tigah
I like the word choice. It implies freedom. However you can't say I need to retain or acquire my choice then choose a school. But you can say I received my credits now I can choose my school. It just sounds better than voucher and "credit(s)" is more difficult to demonize by the Democrats, IMO.
....have to check out...getting on a plane.
....have to check out...getting on a plane.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:18 am to GumboPot
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I like the word choice.
Does that mean you're pro-choice?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:24 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
Define what you think effective is or isn't.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:24 am to GumboPot
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the word choice
Seems this can make all the difference these days. Nobody would support the ACA had it been more accurately named. But how about "Parental Choice System"?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 6:28 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:31 am to GeauxWrek
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effective
What I define as effective in the case of the "Parental Choice System" is an open market of competing schools in which faculty and staff are more incentivized to deliver the best quality of education to students and have them more engaged, as opposed to our current system which would ONLY have our nation's future focus on studies that "feel good."
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:32 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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an open market of competing schools in which faculty and staff are more incentivized to deliver the best quality of education to students
Kinda like private schools...
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:35 am to C
Bingo.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:27 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
I know a little black kid from the ghetto who is being helped tremendously by a voucher. His parents realized they didn't want this kid being "ghetto'd" and took the voucher to give this little kid a chance.
And this kid is one of the smartest in the class.
And this kid is one of the smartest in the class.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:29 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
quote:
What I define as effective in the case of the "Parental Choice System" is an open market of competing schools in which faculty and staff are more incentivized to deliver the best quality of education to students and have them more engaged, as opposed to our current system which would ONLY have our nation's future focus on studies that "feel good."
Sadly a large number of these schools are hastily organized store front enterprises designed to make a quick buck and often teaching some quack religious curriculum.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:30 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
One can't depend on stats from isolated areas. If the surrounding areas do not have vouchers, then the area with vouchers are excused from failure.
I learned that in the Chicago gun law thread
I learned that in the Chicago gun law thread
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:36 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
In regards to Louisiana's voucher system, I don't think you can measure it's effectiveness yet. It's only been in place what...two years?
If the Jindal Administration tries to tell you it's a raving success, they're blowing smoke up your arse. If the Leftists and teachers unions try to tell you it's a failure, they're lying.
No one really knows at this point. One thing is certain. There are many parents who could not previously get their kids out of a shithole government school who are happy they now have a choice to send their children elsewhere.
If the Jindal Administration tries to tell you it's a raving success, they're blowing smoke up your arse. If the Leftists and teachers unions try to tell you it's a failure, they're lying.
No one really knows at this point. One thing is certain. There are many parents who could not previously get their kids out of a shithole government school who are happy they now have a choice to send their children elsewhere.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:37 am to Layabout
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Sadly a large number of these schools are hastily organized store front enterprises designed to make a quick buck and often teaching some quack religious curriculum.
Part of this in BR is due to the regulations on the vouchers. For instance, private schools are not allowed to interview and offer admission to voucher students. The school must tell the State how many voucher students the school can take and then the State selects the student.
Top notch private schools aren't going to allow that. It needs to be a true "hands off" approach by government.
And the willingness of parents to send their kids to hastily created schools does not speak well to the state of public education in our area.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 7:39 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:39 am to Layabout
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Sadly a large number of these schools are hastily organized store front enterprises designed to make a quick buck and often teaching some quack religious curriculum.
The parents would have to have chosen that school.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:40 am to ragincajun03
One thing I'm hearing: many of these parents who intend well and send these black kids to better schools are in for an uphill battle. With absentee fathers and being surrounded by entitlement and ghetto hate, this innocent sweet kids turn angry and "thuggish".
That's the sad part: this issue is the ghetto culture. These kids have to be completely removed from it. No "education" solution can fix this.
That's the sad part: this issue is the ghetto culture. These kids have to be completely removed from it. No "education" solution can fix this.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 7:42 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:46 am to Layabout
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often teaching some quack religious curriculum.
Same argument as my English prof. She claimed she didn't want her taxpayer dollars going toward a kid's education on how Adam and Eve rode around the Garden of Eden on the backs of dinosaurs. I told her I didn't want my money to end up going toward somebody's "Lesbian Dance Theory" classes, not because I think there's anything wrong with homosexuality, but because I think it is a pointless class. I then explained to her that yes, shite does sometimes happen. Deal with it. (Still have an A in there.)
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:47 am to moneyg
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:01 am to Layabout
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Sadly a large number of these schools are hastily organized store front enterprises designed to make a quick buck and often teaching some quack religious curriculum.
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