re: What's your view on vaccinations?

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How many kids are dying from these new mumps and measles outbreaks?

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2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker.

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This simply isn't true. There's a whole special court for vaccines. Civil actions can still be pursued in court.

The problem was (and I will explain this poorly so I'll try and find a better explanation) in the 80s, so many suits were filed against vaccine makers that even if they had successfully defended every case, the cost of doing so would have put them out of business and made it almost impossible for anyone to ever make vaccines. Clearly this isn't in the public interest, so a "special court" was set up. Anyone who believes they or their child has suffered a vaccine injury can sue, it can be quick and easy, and it takes a lot of the insane financial burden of both bringing and defending cases.

better explanation

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Allegations and confirmed instances of vaccine injuries in recent decades have appeared in litigation in the United States. Some families have won substantial awards from sympathetic juries, even though many public health officials have said that the claims of injuries are unfounded.[1] In response, several vaccine makers stopped production, threatening public health, and laws were passed to shield makers from liabilities stemming from vaccine injury claims.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program[edit] In 1988, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) went into effect to compensate individuals and families of individuals who have been injured by covered childhood vaccines.[6] The VICP was adopted in response to an earlier scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine. These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards; most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Procedure & Legal Requirements[edit]

The VICP uses a no-fault, stream-lined system for litigating vaccine injury claims.[7] Claims that are denied can be pursued through civil lawsuits, though this is rare. The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table[8] which is maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. To win an award, a claimant is only required to show a causal connection between an injury and one of the vaccines listed in the Vaccine Injury Table. Compensation is payable for “table” injuries, those listed in the Vaccine Injury Table, as well as, “non-table” injuries, injuries not listed in the table.[9]

In addition, an award may only be given if the claimant’s injury lasted for more than 6 months after the vaccine was given, resulted in a hospital stay and surgery or resulted in death. Awards are based on medical expenses, lost earnings and pain and suffering (capped at $250,000).[10]

From 1988 until March 3, 2011, 5,636 claims relating to autism, and 8,119 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 2,620 of these claims, one autism-related, were compensated, with 4,463 non-autism and 814 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled over $2 billion. The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[8] As of August 2014, over 2,000 individuals have been paid nearly $2 billion since the VICP began in 1988.[7]

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FWIW, I'm as pro vax as they come, I'm also very wary of drugs manufacturers in general, but if they were trying to just screw people to make money, the easiest thing they could do is just not make vaccines. Treating measles is much more lucrative. Opposing vaccines is a huge political issue that many, well organized and dedicated people rally around and can provide a big hit on the manufacturers brand name - many of these vaccines are not huge money makers for them.


(and yeah I know I'm citing a wiki for medical issues, but that one is straight forward and well sourced)

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And no, you can't make an effective influenza vaccine. You have no understanding of how the influenza virus works and reproduces.

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I'm gonna need your qualifications for making this statement.

You realize your link confirms my statement, right? You cannot go after manufacturers.

Also, did you notice that vaccines are so safe that over $2billion in damages have been awarded to victims of UNSAFE VACCINES? Funny how that works, isnt it?

I don't think this went well for you.

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Also, did you notice that vaccines are so safe that over $2billion in damages have been awarded to victims of UNSAFE VACCINES? Funny how that works, isnt it?

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I haven't made a claim regarding the safety of vaccines.

And yes, if the special court does not give the plaintiffs what they believe is adequate relief they are still free to go to the normal court system.

Your post is internally contradictory. How can people not go after manufacturers if they've paid out $2bn in a system specifically set up for assessing claims of vaccine injury? Did the manufacturers use magic to figure out who was injured and compensate them without any claim being brought? Re-think this statement.

I'm trying to be as intellectually honest here as possible and I'm not sure you are. I've met anti vaxxers. I've spent time with them, with their kids. They are almost all good people IME, I've met people who believe their kidss were vaccine injured, whether they are right or not they are all dedicated parents in tough situations. However there is a ton of unnecessary polemicism around this issue and your post is an example of this.

So let's review.

You said there was no way to sue manufacturers. This isn't true. There is a special way to do just that in a way which doesn't cause vaccine makers to go out of business simply for being accused in civil court over and over (before judgement is wrought).

You then backed your statement up by acknowledging the amount that has been paid out through the special court. Which is the opposite of the point you made.

You then embedded in your argument a response a point I haven't made. Vaccines are not completely safe. I know this. IMO they are safer than no vaccines or just letting vaccines fall below herd immunity levels.

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not subjected to safety tests vs a placebo. They are only safety tested vs old vaccines that were never safety tested. If it isn't worse they consider it OK w/out ever figuring out what issues existing vaccines might be causing. 2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker. 3) Multiple vaccines at once.....There are literally zero tests done to insure the safety of taking more than one vaccine at a time. People are just guinea pigs. Our doctor makes sure our kids get no more than 1 vaccine within any 4 week period. This provides enough time for the immune system to recover and rebalance after each vaccine before getting the next. 4) Vaccines are recommended for people with zero testing. Take pregnant women for example. Doctors love to say get all these vaccines but there are zero safety studies on the effects of the vaccine on a fetus or a pregnant woman in general. 5) The flu shot is completely pointless. Influenza is an RNA replicator and a VERY sloppy one at that. Every time influenza reproduces it mutates. It is literally impossible to create a vaccine for influenza. We need to start taking safety more seriously in this country. Other countries have done studies that have raised concerns but we just keep right on trucking along with no protection for the public.

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There is so much fail in this post I don't even have time to address them all. So I will just state summarily that you are fricking retarded.

"Autism is not an epidemic now, doctors who diagnose it are."


It is the new ADHD diagnosis in terms of well-meaning but unqualified docs making this diagnosis. It is becoming a "catch all."

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You're either a troll or an idiot. And no way Trump really said that.

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Skip to 1:10, the power of Google is amazing

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I agree with Trump. We need to give them the same amount, just in smaller spread out dosages. We are pumping way too much into children at once.

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Trump has absolutely no background to be able to say anything authoritatively. Literally all of the research says the same things which is that the vaccines that are on the regular childhood vaccination schedule are safe and effective.

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Autism is an epidemic now.

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This is dumb. The paper that originally showed a link has been widely discredited and retracted. Andrew Wakefield was shown to have significant conflicts of interest when he published this paper. Please stop perpetuating false and dangerous ideas.