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What would the homeless rate be if America did not have section8?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:29 pm
So about a year ago, low income housing for people eligible for section 8 was built in my area. There was a bit of protest, as the region is already overcrowded, and it would probably "taint" a really nice golf club that is right next to it.
Already, I have noticed a general decline in the area when it comes to the cleanliness of the shopping centers, grocery stores, malls, etc, and the police blotter section in the newspaper is getting a lot larger.
If these people would otherwise be homeless, I guess the tradeoff is worth it, but I still am a bit annoyed at the "degradation" that these people seem to bring with them.
Already, I have noticed a general decline in the area when it comes to the cleanliness of the shopping centers, grocery stores, malls, etc, and the police blotter section in the newspaper is getting a lot larger.
If these people would otherwise be homeless, I guess the tradeoff is worth it, but I still am a bit annoyed at the "degradation" that these people seem to bring with them.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I am not sure if you are talking about Section 8 or affordable housing. What is the name of the development?
So about a year ago, low income housing for people eligible for section 8 was built in my area.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
What do you mean "these people"?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:36 pm to mmcgrath
quote:As far as I know, it is housing devoted to section 8 tenants. Government helps the dwellers pay rent, though. I guess I'll broaden my question then and ask how much higher the homeless rate would be if government in general wasn;t involved in helping people pay rent.
I am not sure if you are talking about Section 8 or affordable housing.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:37 pm to motionmagic
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What do you mean "these people"?
Well clearly he meant the black ones
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:39 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Demographics are probably 60% white, 40% Latino.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Demographics are probably 60% white, 40% Latino
Oh, "those people", gross.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If these people would otherwise be homeless, I guess the tradeoff is worth it, but I still am a bit annoyed at the "degradation" that these people seem to bring with them.
That's a big if. Many make an argument that the huge safety net encourages an increase in a need for section 8.
ETA: I guess my point is that it would probably be around the same, maybe a little less. The people that really can work would be forced to do so rather than be able to take the easy way out.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Demographics are probably 60% white, 40% Latino.
Orange County demographics...
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:43 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:The southeastern desert counties of CA are full of white trash people, to be blunt. Confederate flags everywhere, obsessed with going to "the dunes" with giant lifted trucks, etc. Just trash. Those make up the majority of this welfare housing development.
Oh, "those people", gross.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Confederate flags in CA? Wow.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As I said, "gross".
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The southeastern desert counties of CA are full of white trash people, to be blunt.
Let's be fair. The southeastern desert counties of California are full of trash of every color.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:56 pm to motionmagic
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Confederate flags in CA? Wow.
Between Orange County and Riverside County (a seen on the map) is a mountain range. Totally different cultures on each side. Riverside county was settled by southerners who lost their homes after the civil war. They live in both riverside and imperial county, and now apparently a cohort has come over the mountains to Orange County to live in welfare housing.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:04 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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quote: What do you mean "these people"?
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Well clearly he meant the black ones
Quick with the race bait. I think what he meant by "these people" is whoever the programs subsidize. If the shoe fits . . . Socio economic behavior can be color blind but often follows a recognizable blueprint. As we see from discussion of the local demographic your assumption was incorrect. Good guess though.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Already, I have noticed a general decline in the area when it comes to the cleanliness of the shopping centers, grocery stores, malls, etc, and the police blotter section in the newspaper is getting a lot larger.
They've been building up apartments outside my community....also been building up half a million dollar homes, but if we get a metro route anytime soon I'll be moving out to Magnolia.
Metro brings the trash in Houston. Just look at Spring.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I guess I'll broaden my question then and ask how much higher the homeless rate would be if government in general wasn;t involved in helping people pay rent.
Difficult to say. Those programs drive up housing costs and make housing less affordable.
So it could be the case that Section 8 tenants would otherwise be homeless. But it might also be the case that the Section 8 tenant's share of the bill is what the market price would be without government intervention. In the latter case, the government is driving up the cost, paying the difference, and effectively giving a gift to the slumlord.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Probably about like it is now. Subsidized housing helps keep prices above equilibrium. Without subsidies, maybe we would have affordable housing.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:23 pm to ynlvr
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Quick with the race bait. I think what he meant by "these people" is whoever the programs subsidize. If the shoe fits . . . Socio economic behavior can be color blind but often follows a recognizable blueprint. As we see from discussion of the local demographic your assumption was incorrect. Good guess though.
Did you miss the
at the end of my post, or were you wilfully ignoring it?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Lower because rents would be lower. Here in SF a lot of the hotel rooms are taken by people on section8 and it keeps the rents higher since the owners can get the higher rents paid by the government.
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