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re: What was the purpose of dropping the atomic bombs in Japan?
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:42 am to Jbird
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:42 am to Jbird
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, he didn't know that, therefore he may very well have tried to send a message. Hindsight is fun!
You are missing the point. If he was trying to send a message to Stalin, he FAILED
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:43 am to joshnorris14
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It WAS accepted. Their only condition was for the Emperor to retain his seat and that's what was eventually offered
Yep. Just as FDR did to get the US into WWII. Be completely intractable, wait for Japanese attacks, Claim high ground, send hundreds of thousands to their death.
Seems like we've seen this before.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:45 am to cokebottleag
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cokebottleag
This is my understanding, as well.
Japan was attempting to negotiate terms that were unacceptable, and unconditional surrender was our only position, as it should have been. We were continuing to move forward with invasion plans to secure unconditional surrender, if necessary. Fortunately, the bombs forced the unconditional surrender.
McArthur would have negotiated if he would have had his druthers. He was a Japophile.
The bombs, secondarily, were also were a show of force to Russia.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:47 am to joshnorris14
They attacked us. We finished it.
Japanese committed numerous atrocities that rivaled the Nazi's.
Japanese committed numerous atrocities that rivaled the Nazi's.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:47 am to joshnorris14
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The Japanese were pushing their eventual surrender terms
False
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:47 am to joshnorris14
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What was the purpose of dropping the atomic bombs in Japan?
To crush Japanese morale and break their spirits, save millions of American and Japanese lives, end the war quickly and send notice to Russia and tell them to stay the frick away from Japan after we made the mistake of letting them have a piece of Germany and all of Eastern Europe.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:50 am to joshnorris14
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This is factually incorrect. They were trying to surrender
This is beyond stupid. You don't "try" to surrender. You surrender. Plain and simple.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:52 am to BamaGradinTn
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This is beyond stupid. You don't "try" to surrender. You surrender. Plain and simple.
lulz. Calling other people dumb... You should probably stop doing that.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:53 am to joshnorris14
We bombed the bastards as pure punishment.
We might need to do it again just to keep them looking up every time they hear an airplane.
We might need to do it again just to keep them looking up every time they hear an airplane.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:56 am to joshnorris14
Actually if they continued carpet bombing it would have killed more people, Japanese cities were fire hazards because of all the structure's materials. It pretty much ended the war. Lastly because we had the bombs and wanted to use them.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:56 am to joshnorris14
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So why did we use it with such overwhelming military hesitation.
Maybe because generals and admirals become insensitive to small numbers of American lives lost. Maybe they might see the loss of just a few hundred lives of American servicemen as acceptable. The families of those soldiers and sailors most certainly would not.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:57 am to MrCarton
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lulz
Now that's some real intelligent commentary. Now if you want to actually communicate like an adult, we can start with the fact that I didn't call anyone dumb. I said the comment was beyond stupid...which it most certainly is.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:04 am to BamaGradinTn
They surrendered AFTER we dropped the second bomb.
Japanese have been model citizens ever since!
It worked and save American lives. You go debate how many, I don't care how many. How ever MANY it was... was enough.
Japanese have been model citizens ever since!
It worked and save American lives. You go debate how many, I don't care how many. How ever MANY it was... was enough.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:07 am to omegaman66
How did it save any American lives? There was never going to be an invasion. The fire bombings destroyed 63 Japanese cities before the atomic bombs
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:08 am to joshnorris14
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This is factually incorrect. They were trying to surrender
Link?
I'm pretty sure the bombs were dropped to end the war. US knew that Japan would not surrender save for a land invasion which would cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:12 am to Wild Thang
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The bomb saved probably 100k US soldiers.
Plus millions of more Japanese that would have starved to death while the war wound down conventionally and in the postwar recovery.
LTG Eichenberger has written Japan was also left in much less of a mess through the timely ending of the war, economic recovery would have been much more difficult as the war dragged on.
And all of those quotes were well post war not when we were looking at an invasion. Revisionism.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:13 am to joshnorris14
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I personally think the fact that they didn't surrender after 1 is kinda informative.
Until you actually think about it.
Imagine your in Japan and all of the sudden you see a nuclear bomb dropped without any knowledge of what the hell happened. What is the first thing you do?
Assess the damage. Without any knowledge of nuclear energy, this probably causes you to be massively confused.
Do you really think three days is enough time for the Japanese, without any prior knowledge, to figure out what happened, what is happening, and what they needed to do about it?
yes ...
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:21 am to BamaGradinTn
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Now if you want to actually communicate like an adult, we can start with the fact that I didn't call anyone dumb. I said the comment was beyond stupid...which it most certainly is.
Nah, it's a waste of time. Only a "child" would act like a full national surrender after many years at total war is as simple as just "doing it".
Surrender is always negotiated, in fact, the US was negotiating a surrender for quite some time before the bombs. So your comment is ridiculous, incorrect, and ahistorical.
It was also dumb.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:28 am to joshnorris14
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Imagine your in Japan and all of the sudden you see a nuclear bomb dropped without any knowledge of what the hell happened. What is the first thing you do?
Assess the damage. Without any knowledge of nuclear energy, this probably causes you to be massively confused.
Do you really think three days is enough time for the Japanese, without any prior knowledge, to figure out what happened, what is happening, and what they needed to do about it?
The WWII Japanese were trying to develop a nuke(much like the Nazis were).
Using nuclear power as a weapon was known(although an undeveloped) by the Japanese high command as was it known by the Japanese nuclear scientist community.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 11:29 am to joshnorris14
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How did it save any American lives?
Because once Japan surrenders their military personnel pretty much stop fighting.
Some that did not get the word or did not believe the word kept fighting for many decades.
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