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What Laws Did Clinton Actually Break?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:19 am
I copied this image from a discussion on another site maybe 8-10 months ago? When all this law breaking by Clinton was just coming to the fore.
I had to look it up:
Mens rea (/'m?nz 'ri??/; Latin for "guilty mind") is the mental element of a crime. It is a necessary element of many crimes. The standard common law test of criminal liability is expressed in the Latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, i.e. "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty".
I had to look it up:
Mens rea (/'m?nz 'ri??/; Latin for "guilty mind") is the mental element of a crime. It is a necessary element of many crimes. The standard common law test of criminal liability is expressed in the Latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, i.e. "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty".
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:22 am to WhiskeyPapa
When handling sensitive information you have a responsibility to handle it VERY CAREFULLY (exercising MORE care than the average reasonable person would) and to not do so is a violation of the law.
It doesn't matter what the intentions are.
It doesn't matter what the intentions are.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:23 am to BlueFalcon
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It doesn't matter what the intentions are.
I thought of that. The graphic doesn't deal with that part of USC 18 section 793(f) where Clinton exposed sensitive national security information to an unauthorized person or persons.
"Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,..having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."
Clinton delivered her State Department e-mails to her attorneys who were not authorized to view them.
And she ignorantly and callously exposed them to 793(g):
"(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy."
So her high priced lawyers and maybe some poor legal assistants or paralegals are up shite creek too.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:24 am to WhiskeyPapa
That code wouldn't apply as the records wouldn't be the "only" copy.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:25 am to WhiskeyPapa
Go research why all people are in jail for working for government and mishandling secret information. Then look at what Hillary did.
Also, bribery. She was a government official getting million dollar birthday gifts from foreigners, for instance.
Also, bribery. She was a government official getting million dollar birthday gifts from foreigners, for instance.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:25 am to WhiskeyPapa
Also look up Perjury and Obstruction of Justice, among others!
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:27 am to WhiskeyPapa
running a pedophilia ring violates multiple state and federal laws.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:30 am to mmcgrath
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That code wouldn't apply as the records wouldn't be the "only" copy.
She had the only copy of her SD emails for 21 months until they were subpoenaed.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:32 am to WhiskeyPapa
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What Laws Did Clinton Actually Break?
Way too broad a question.
Perhaps try narrowing it down to Bill or Hillary.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:34 am to Count Chocula
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Also look up Perjury and Obstruction of Justice, among others!
Yeah, remember how Clinton got kudos for her self-possessed demeanor and skill during appearances before the Benghazi committee?
She told one whopping lie after another.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:36 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Do you mean SB as in Sidney Blumenthal? Because those were forwarded and wouldn't be the only copy.
She had the only copy of her SD emails for 21 months until they were subpoenaed.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:37 am to Snipe
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Perhaps try narrowing it down to Bill or Hillary.
Well, I should have said federal laws. It's Hillary who is mostly on the hook for that.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:37 am to WhiskeyPapa
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"the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty"
Does simply not giving a flying frick about the law because it's not convenient for you count as having a guilty mind?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:39 am to mmcgrath
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She had the only copy of her SD emails for 21 months until they were subpoenaed.
Do you mean SB as in Sidney Blumenthal? Because those were forwarded and wouldn't be the only copy.
SD as in State Department.
One of the things that came up after she swore under oath that all her e-mails were delivered was a screen cap of Blumenthal's G-mail box (captured by Guccifer) that showed e-mails she didn't yield up.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:40 am to WhiskeyPapa
Lying to congress
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:40 am to Bard
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Does simply not giving a flying frick about the law because it's not convenient for you count as having a guilty mind?
Ha!
Yeah, I don't know if 'pervasively guilty' matches the statute.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:40 am to BlueFalcon
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When handling sensitive information you have a responsibility to handle it VERY CAREFULLY (exercising MORE care than the average reasonable person would) and to not do so is a violation of the law. It doesn't matter what the intentions are.
Yep, ignorance of the law is no excuse but in her case there was a clear precedent set with Collin Powell and other predecessors. In other words, she knew better and was arrogant and didn't give a shite. This likely cost her the election and she still might be facing litigation.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:49 am to GurleyGirl
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Yep, ignorance of the law is no excuse but in her case there was a clear precedent set with Collin Powell and other predecessors.
The State Department rules were massively updated in 2005.
One little factoid is that there was no SD Inspector General the whole 4 years she was SecState.
Not that she would have cared, but she desperately needed a compliance officer to keep her out of trouble.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:52 am to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:01 am to WhiskeyPapa
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