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What is the evidence that Vladimir Putin is a murderer?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:12 pm
I have heard this numerous times: "Trump is befriending that murderer. Disgusting."
What crimes did Putin commit and where is the evidence for it? Or is this just classic leftist hyperbole?
What crimes did Putin commit and where is the evidence for it? Or is this just classic leftist hyperbole?
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:13 pm to Wildo Baggins
He worked for the KGB.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:13 pm to Wildo Baggins
Given his career in a past life it's hard to imagine he didn't dust some folks for the motherland.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:17 pm to OMLandshark
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He worked for the KGB.
Not sure you can call that murder
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:18 pm to Hester Carries
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Not sure you can call that murder
Kind of like saying you couldn't say the same for an enforcer of the mafia.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:18 pm to Wildo Baggins
Read Putin's Labyrinth by Steve Levine.
Putin's Labyrinth
He details the individuals Putin has ordered killed.
ETA: Also, here is a news article about one of Putin's victims.
LINK
Putin's Labyrinth
He details the individuals Putin has ordered killed.
ETA: Also, here is a news article about one of Putin's victims.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:19 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Yeah. For all the people that (rightfully) call out "Marxism," it's strange when many of those same people seem to have a strangely positive view of a corrupt authoritarian who was a high ranking KGB agent in the COMMUNIST Soviet Union.
He worked for the KGB.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:22 pm to LSURussian
Thanks man. Was looking for something more informative than KGB = murder. Will look into it.
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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Yeah. For all the people that (rightfully) call out "Marxism," it's strange when many of those same people seem to have a strangely positive view of a corrupt authoritarian who was a high ranking KGB agent in the COMMUNIST Soviet Union.
its bizarro world.
My entire life russia was the villain. And now they are our best friends. its bizarre.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:23 pm to OMLandshark
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Kind of like saying you couldn't say the same for an enforcer of the mafia.
Probably most similar to SS/gestapo.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:24 pm to Wildo Baggins
All we know is what American media tells us about Putin. Thankfully they have a perfect track record reporting objectively and honestly with zero bias.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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Yeah. For all the people that (rightfully) call out "Marxism," it's strange when many of those same people seem to have a strangely positive view of a corrupt authoritarian who was a high ranking KGB agent in the COMMUNIST Soviet Union.
He's a hyper-nationalist who openly espouses his hatred of Muslims, gays and those who refuse to assimilate into Russian society. He also has a "tough guy" image.
These traits appeal to many on the right who see him as a stark contrast to the perceived politically correct weakness of our current President.
On the one hand, if the shite ever really hits the fan he'll be a valuable ally against Islam. On the other, he stands in direct conflict with many of the freedoms we (claim to) value.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:27 pm to Wildo Baggins
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I have heard this numerous times: "Trump is befriending that murderer. Disgusting."
It's true. Putin is a former KGB leader and head of state. he has probably ordered thr murder of thousands. Just like Barry Obama has. Just like all heads of state do.
The only hypocrisy here is the near universal denial that all heads of state order murders.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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On the one hand, if the shite ever really hits the fan he'll be a valuable ally against Islam.
no he won't.
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On the other, he stands in direct conflict with many of the freedoms we (claim to) value.
I do not believe most americans value freedom of speech, religion, or association. At least for others. They value it for themselves.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:33 pm to Hawkeye95
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My entire life russia was the villain. And now they are our best friends. its bizarre.
In my lifetime they were never really the enemy, especially when Boris Yeltsin was their president.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:33 pm to Hawkeye95
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I do not believe most americans value freedom of speech, religion, or association. At least for others. They value it for themselves.
I agree, thus my "claim to" qualifier
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:36 pm to Wildo Baggins
I'm sure Putin has blood on his hands either directly or indirectly. However, so does "rational actor" Iran by their funding of proxy wars and Saudi kings with their multiple wives and atrocious human rights violations.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:36 pm to Hawkeye95
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no he won't.
What should concern everyone is the Russian demographic problem. If memory serves, the regions with Russian populations are dying off and not reproducing. Meanwhile the more Islamic regions of the Russian Federation are not having that problem. It won't happen over night but Russia too could face its own issues.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He's a hyper-nationalist who openly espouses his hatred of Muslims
Which is why he was at the opening of the largest mosque in Moscow along with Erdogan and Mahmoud Abbas in 2015. He also funded a large mosque in Grozny based on the Blue Mosque (I think) in Istanbul.
People have made up a hatred of Muslims because they want him to hate Muslims. Some of his inner circle, like Alisher Usmanov, the General Director of Gazprom's holding company and one of the richest men in the world, are Muslim.
Putin doesn't hate Muslims at all. He's closer to the Iranians than he has ever been.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:40 pm to TheRodFather
Putin is the shot caller. Most US presidents have done the same sort of thing.
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