re: What happened to, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death...

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Too many stupid people.They don't want to except the reason for having a 1st amendment in the first place.That is for protecting unpopular ideas and speech.
Popular speech and ideas require no protection. Why would you need an amendment to protect what everybody likes?

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Exactly.

Anyone who doesn't want the First Amendment to protect unpopular speech may find out one day that their speech isn't protected.

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Anyone who doesn't want the First Amendment to protect unpopular speech may find out one day that their speech isn't protected.

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That's what the First Amendment was designed to protect is unpopular speech, and yes that includes hate speech unlike what Howard Dean would have us believe.

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I posted in another thread that not all speech is protected by the 1st amendment. Even if you have permits to protest speech that insights violence or hatred is not covered.

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Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment when it doesn't call for violence against someone or a group of people they hate or incite people to riot.

Just because that hate speech is offensive to someone or a group of people that doesn't mean it is inciting violence.

Some idiots running around wearing swastikas and/or waving the Nazi flag is protected by the First Amendment just like some idiots burning the American flag is protected by the First Amendment.

Both acts offend many people but one act should not be protected by the First Amendment while the other act is not protected.

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Even if you have permits to protest speech that insights violence or hatred is not covered.

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I don't understand this sentence. Please clarify (I mean apart from the phonetic spelling issue.)

Are you saying speech that incites or amounts to hatred is NOT protected by the First Amendment???

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article discussing this

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The title of that article is re violence. I will read, but unless it is about hate or hatred or hate speech it doesn't address my question about the post.

Eta, yeah no. Not on point. This is nowhere near the same as hatred or "inciting hatred."

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. But narrow restrictions on speech that expressly advocates illegal, murderous violence in messages to mass audiences probably should not be taken to offend the First Amendment.

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I've been a student and sometimes practitioner of Constitutional law for decades, so I obviously know the very basic tenets of First Amendment protection. I was trying to find out if people actually believe hate speech is not protected (absent a clear exception).

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do white supremacists groups have the right to protest...absolutely..but on the other hand do members of a minority group have the right to defend themselves...yes.Let's be crystal clear here...white supremacists are anything but peaceful organizations.

it never ceases to amaze me that we are so surprised and shocked when minorities show up to defend themselves against these racist groups.

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If the minorities that these racist groups hate didn't show up at the hate groups' rallies and/or demonstrations to stop them from happening then they wouldn't have to defend themselves from being physically attacked by the members of the hate groups at those rallies and/or demonstrations.

Those minorities can have their own rallies and demonstrations where they can denounce those hate groups and if any of the members of those hate groups come to their rallies and/or demonstrations and try to use violence to stop those rallies and/or demonstrations from happening then they should be arrested and condemned for not allowing those minorities to express their First Amendment right.

However, I know it is a waste of time to try to explain this to fascist sore loser lefties and NeverTrumpers because they know it is all bullshite they are spewing in their attempt to have President Trump impeached.

if i were a black man i couldn't think of any better place to protest than at a rally where there is a group of people that are dedicated to taking away my liberties.

in my opinion they are doing something that everyone on this board should admire and that is protecting themselves and their families against a threat...i can't think of anything more american than that.

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sometimes practitioner of Constitutional law

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what exactly does that mean?

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If the minorities that these racist groups hate didn't show up at the hate groups' rallies and/or demonstrations to stop them from happening then they wouldn't have to defend themselves from being physically attacked by the members of the hate groups at those rallies and/or demonstrations.

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If they don't show up, then it legitimizes the right wing's racism. That will not be allowed.

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if i were a black man i couldn't think of any better place to protest than at a rally where there is a group of people that are dedicated to taking away my liberties.

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I have no problem if they peacefully demonstrated at the rally but you know and I know they went there with the sole intent to use violence to stop the demonstration from happening.

Sorry but I am a firm believer in the type of peaceful non-violent demonstrations that MLK Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi engaged in.

To do otherwise is just asking for trouble and that is what happened to the "counter-protestors" yesterday.

As a result of not doing that, 3 people died who wouldn't and shouldn't have died.

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in my opinion they are doing something that everyone on this board should admire and that is protecting themselves and their families against a threat...i can't think of anything more american than that.

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There was no immediate physical threat to any of the "counter-protestors" and their families if the "counter-protestors" and their families weren't at the demonstration using violence to stop the demonstration from happening.

A more American thing the "counter-protestors" should have done is either held a peaceful non violent counter demonstration and/or just let the hate groups exercise their First Amendment right.