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What happened to, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death...

Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:50 pm
...your right to say it."?

That's what true Americans believe.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:51 pm to
The establishment happened

The establishment forces compliance into their views by making it taboo to believe/say certain things.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41291 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:51 pm to
Truth. But the left has proven to hate what America is all about.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78311 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:51 pm to
Progressivism happened.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:52 pm to
Well, that's gone, but more important and basically what happened to this old adage:

"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

That's the one we have to get back, and yours will immediate logically follow once we get the later back.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50209 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 4:53 pm to
Progressives took over the Democrat party. That's what happened.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5637 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:12 pm to
OP brings up a reasonable neautral point that everyone (including me) can probably get behind. 4 of the 5 first comments immediately blame the left. Not that the left on a board of the opposite leanings wouldn't do the exact same thing (blaming the right).


My opinion, everyone has gotten so hostile it's impossible to have that kind of civil discourse anymore. It's a giant game of, "he strarted it!"

This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 5:14 pm
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
7617 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:19 pm to
quote:


My opinion, everyone has gotten so hostile it's impossible to have that kind of civil discourse anymore. It's a giant game of, "he strarted it!


I make strides every day on social media. I try to avoid name calling, but i point out flawed logic and misrepresented responses, and rebut them with fairly intelligent paragraphs of factual information. Then I watch.

To your point. They almost always come back with immediate insults and slander, and almost never actually try to counter my points.

Why do I do this? I know I will never change their mind.

I do it for everyone else who comes across it and reads it. They see my logical level headed explanation, and they see rage and name calling from the other side. I've gotten top comments on some pretty famous peoples posts doing it. I know I've swayed at least a few people who were either on the fence or just uninformed on the topic into seeing it my way.

If everyone would take the same approach, maybe there would be some progress.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

immediately blame the left


Well,they're not wrong.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5829 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:25 pm to
I posted in another thread that not all speech is protected by the 1st amendment. Even if you have permits to protest speech that insights violence or hatred is not covered.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27740 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:27 pm to
Too many stupid people.They don't want to except the reason for having a 1st amendment in the first place.That is for protecting unpopular ideas and speech.
Popular speech and ideas require no protection. Why would you need an amendment to protect what everybody likes?
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5637 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:27 pm to
I try and do the same, it's not easy. And my results are similar. It goes both ways, is my point. Dummies everywhere.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5637 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:30 pm to
Example #5. Thank you for continuing to make my point for me. It's the people who TRULY believe this is all one sided are lost causes, from both sides.

HailMich tried to get into this yesterday but he got more of the same one sided BS.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26958 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:31 pm to
The ACLU is currently getting shite on by the left for fighting to protect hate speech. I'd ask my friends on the right to remember that the next time they are shitting on the ACLU for doing something the right doesn't like.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

What happened to, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."?


I've been saying it all day.

The establishment and progressive left is a threat to the foundation of this country
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
14811 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me"



Until you fall into a printing press
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29644 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:33 pm to
+ 1
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

Example #5. Thank you for continuing to make my point for me. It's the people who TRULY believe this is all one sided are lost causes, from both sides.


Yes, I truly believe that when it comes to shutting down free speech it is most definitely one sided.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22310 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:35 pm to
What group has been shutting down free speech on college campuses for a year or longer? And they call Trump a Fascist.



Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:38 pm to
These kids have absolutely no idea who Voltaire and Rousseau are! They don't even know Jefferson was, expect a racist slave owner!lol
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