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What compels me to recognize the government as a legitimate entity?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:15 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:15 am
Being born within the borders of the country? Being issued a SSN? Some other act?
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:17 am to weagle99
Police power. They have the guns.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 11:18 am to weagle99
Divide the money that is actually spend (not borrowed from china) that the US spends on roads and military and divide that number by population (300,000,000?) send that check to Barrack Obama and you can do whatever you damn well please and the government can be dead to you
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:11 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Police power. They have the guns.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:11 pm to weagle99
Military force.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:13 pm to weagle99
The force to imprison you
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:15 pm to weagle99
The traditional, truly justified purpose of government was collective force to protect natural rights of life, liberty, and property.
The government (which is referred to as law in this excerpt) sums up perfectly where government gets its legitimacy:
The government (which is referred to as law in this excerpt) sums up perfectly where government gets its legitimacy:
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What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense.
Each of us has a natural right—from God—to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties?
If every person has the right to defend—even by force—his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right—its reason for existing, its lawfulness—is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force—for the same reason—cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:15 pm to jamboybarry
The combination of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:16 pm to weagle99
The threat of force against your person and property.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:17 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Police power. They have the guns
Posted on 11/21/14 at 12:19 pm to weagle99
if there are no limits/procedures to follow for becoming a citizen, then there is arguably no implied or express social contract for those who are "just here." i've never been an anarchist by any stretch, but that may change.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:07 pm to weagle99
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Being issued a SSN
This.
It's a bonded indebtness to the corporation of the United States of America.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:28 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Not recognizing the government is a tremendous pain in the arse with a ton of risks.
Put aside right, wrong, good and bad.
Too big of a hassle. So just deal with it and try to change what you don't like as a citizen.
Any other action is a big hassle.
Put aside right, wrong, good and bad.
Too big of a hassle. So just deal with it and try to change what you don't like as a citizen.
Any other action is a big hassle.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:32 pm to weagle99
They have more guns.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:28 pm to weagle99
Fear.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:35 pm to weagle99
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What compels me to recognize the government as a legitimate entity?
Its guns and its lawyers.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:37 pm to weagle99
Being a citizen I reckon.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:03 pm to weagle99
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Being issued a SSN
But I was an infant.
I had no capacity to consent to this, therefore this contract is a nullity.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:06 pm to weagle99
Because they say you have too or deal with the consequences. So there is a choice.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:59 pm to Erin Go Bragh
Or you can invest $400K in St. Kitts, get economic citizenship and a second passport, and tell them goodbye.
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