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re: What are the riots in St. Louis about?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:12 am to TigerCruise
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:12 am to TigerCruise
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This cop has a record of being a shitty cop but the DA fricked up and went for Murder 1, which there was almost no evidence to support.
One of the things I will never be able to understand about the system is that because you were not convicted of murder 1.. why are lesser charges are off the table?
It's a story you hear far too often.. the DA over-charged cop and he walks. Part of the blue tape IMO.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 9:13 am
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:15 am to Kraut Dawg
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Not related to the St Louis losers, but rather to your morality. That's something I've never put together but it makes sense. So I looked it up & there's a book called Marxism, Morality, & Social Justice by an R.G. Peffer. Since you made the "morality" remark, have you read this? And I'm also typing this in so I can come back to look for it tonight & do some skimming of it.
I haven't read that Book, KD; I'm not an Academic, as I did not graduate College. My comment re "morality" is posited from a common-sense perspective, and derived from the many observations of what Progressives have spoken and done.
More later. Great granddaughter in lap...wants to watch her daily dose of Cohen's "Dance Me To The End of Love" video.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:15 am to bmy
One of the things I will never be able to understand about the system is that because you were not convicted of murder 1.. why are lesser charges are off the table?
It's a story you hear far too often.. the DA over-charged cop and he walks. Part of the blue tape IMO.
Who cares? A dangerous drug dealing thug is off the streets. The cop should have been promoted.
It's a story you hear far too often.. the DA over-charged cop and he walks. Part of the blue tape IMO.
Who cares? A dangerous drug dealing thug is off the streets. The cop should have been promoted.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:17 am to bmy
Because when you present a case, you present it specifically to prove the criteria that is required for that charge. In this case the DA tried to prove it was premeditated because he said something stupid in the heat of the moment while in a high speed chase with a suspect who had just tried to run him over.
That's not premeditation. The DA fricked up. If they went for Manslaughter I guaruntee he probably would have gotten time.
That's not premeditation. The DA fricked up. If they went for Manslaughter I guaruntee he probably would have gotten time.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:48 am to RCDfan1950
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:52 am to shoelessjoe
Don't feel alone as I didn't know either since I'm Boycotting all boycotts right now
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:55 am to shoelessjoe
Rioting & Looting is still shitty, but IMO, the protestors are right in this particular case. Justice was not done. Despite the victim being a heroin dealer, the case presented was clear.
First, the city paid out in a civil suit for wrongful death, essentially admitting the offficer was in the wrong.
Next, they brought criminal charges.
After the draw gave the case this particular judge, Stockley (and his attorneys) waived his right to jury trial. Great move by his lawyers when they saw who they drew.
Synopsis of what happened. Someone reports drug deal at restaurant. Stockley comes to restaurant with his personal AK47 (big No No). Smith flees. Stockley reports shots fired, which witnesses from restaurant say came from the officer himself. During chase, dashcam catches Stockley say, "I'm going to kill this mutherfricker". Eventually chase ends as smith gives up.
Where there is no video/audio, is from then until death of suspect. They find a gun in the vehicle, but it doesn't have any of the suspects DNA or fingerprints, but does have Stockelys. Idea is gun was planted.
Anyways, the main takeaway from the ruling is that the judge said a drug dealer not having a gun would be an anomaly. Which, while correct, doesn't really speak to the evidence presented.
Great case study for school that we have been following.
First, the city paid out in a civil suit for wrongful death, essentially admitting the offficer was in the wrong.
Next, they brought criminal charges.
After the draw gave the case this particular judge, Stockley (and his attorneys) waived his right to jury trial. Great move by his lawyers when they saw who they drew.
Synopsis of what happened. Someone reports drug deal at restaurant. Stockley comes to restaurant with his personal AK47 (big No No). Smith flees. Stockley reports shots fired, which witnesses from restaurant say came from the officer himself. During chase, dashcam catches Stockley say, "I'm going to kill this mutherfricker". Eventually chase ends as smith gives up.
Where there is no video/audio, is from then until death of suspect. They find a gun in the vehicle, but it doesn't have any of the suspects DNA or fingerprints, but does have Stockelys. Idea is gun was planted.
Anyways, the main takeaway from the ruling is that the judge said a drug dealer not having a gun would be an anomaly. Which, while correct, doesn't really speak to the evidence presented.
Great case study for school that we have been following.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:57 am to 5thTiger
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the case presented was clear.
Apparently not.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:58 am to 5thTiger
Civil suits do not admit anything, settlements are simply the cheapest option to get the case over with. Otherwise they are looking at millions in court fees and time.
Look at the Michael Brown case, the Officer was completely in the right for that and they still had to pay out an obscene amount of money. Civil cases are a money grab because usually the threat of the state losing the case could bankrupt them.
Look at the Michael Brown case, the Officer was completely in the right for that and they still had to pay out an obscene amount of money. Civil cases are a money grab because usually the threat of the state losing the case could bankrupt them.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:58 am to 5thTiger
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Despite the victim being a heroin dealer,
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:01 am to shoelessjoe
quote:Bored minorities getting paid to break stuff by Soros, probably.
What are the riots in St. Louis about?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:03 am to bmy
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bmy
Your stupidity is normal and why I would be scared shitless to put my life in the hands of a jury these days.
Hence, a bench trial.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:03 am to 5thTiger
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Rioting & Looting is still shitty, but IMO, the protestors are right in this particular case. Justice was not done. Despite the victim being a heroin dealer, the case presented was clear.
So are you on record as supporting the rioting?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:05 am to TheXman
No. That's why I said first "rioting and looting is still shitty". Implication being that it is obviously wrong and I'm not condoning it. But in this case, I don't have a problem with peaceful protests over the ruling.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:07 am to 5thTiger
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But in this case, I don't have a problem with peaceful protests over the ruling.
The "peaceful" protests are only happening as a way to usher in the destruction. The stated goals of the "peaceful" protesters has been to shut down St Louis.
They all want the destruction, otherwise they would change the way they're protesting.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:09 am to shoelessjoe
The riots are about the justice system working as it should. Just more anarchists claiming to have a cause.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:12 am to hogcard1964
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Who cares? A dangerous drug dealing thug is off the streets. The cop should have been promoted
Let's just start shooting all the DUI people too and at least be consistently harsh with the scum of society
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:14 am to TigerCruise
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DA fricked up and went for Murder
Not really. Cases like this are all or nothing. Unfortunately, almost impossible standard to meet. State has to prove the officer didn't act in self-defense. That's tough as hell. But, prosecutors did a great job IMO.
At the end of the day, the judge made his ruling based off of something other than the evidence, which is wrong. Doesn't matter what piece of shite this heroin dealer was, the law and legal system deal with the evidence presented. That, by the judges own words, did not happen
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:18 am to shoelessjoe
they are about what all the other riots were about., rioting for fun and profit to destroy and set fire to random property because its fun 
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:18 am to 5thTiger
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At the end of the day, the judge made his ruling based off of something other than the evidence, which is wrong.
Your opinion is contrary to a great many legal experts that have commended the judge on going exactly by the law and thoroughly through the evidence.
But I'm sure you're tops in your 2L class, so we should all listen to you.
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