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re: War with North Korea - The First 72 Hours
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:02 am to reo45
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:02 am to reo45
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They may first strike
if NK strikes first, there will be heavy SK casualties in Seoul for sure
but
NK will be OBLITERATED. fricking Roman-style leveling of Carthage type shite
the big issue is just how suicidal Un is. if he's legit suicidal, then China is at threat. if he has regional missile capabilities, a bunch of coastal Chinese cities are at risk (including Beijing)
the scary part is the only country outside of NK that may know their actual capabilities is China, and if they are mobilizing against NK (which is appears they are), i think this may be in response to the risk of THEIR cities
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:03 am to Texas Weazel
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You'd be surprised at what decades of brainwashing and state propaganda will do to the human mind.
You'd be surprised what 60 years of isolation and poverty have done to the average North Korean in terms of physical makeup.
The North Korean soldier is no match for his/her South Korean counterpart.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:04 am to GetCocky11
if this becomes some intractable domestic war, the best bet is to drop pictures of supermarkets in China and SK around the countryside
hunger is still the #1 motivation of humanity
hunger is still the #1 motivation of humanity
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:04 am to TheFonz
South Korea's military is significantly more powerful than North Korea's, with the exception of the possibility of nuclear armament. While NK spends a quarter of their GDP on the military, their GDP is TINY. South Korea accidentally spends more on theirs.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:07 am to Buckeye Backer
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This would be the first "real" uniformed Military we have faced since World War II.
uh
we took over Iraq and demolished their scary military in the early 90s...within a week
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North Korea also has a top 5 Air Force.
NK doesn't have fuel to support an Air Force
did they invent a coal-burning fighter jet or something?
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There is a reason why we never defeated them the first time.
that's b/c we were involved in a Vietnam-style domestic incursion WITH China on their side
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Going to war with North Korea would require 100% of military focus to win.
to defeat the NK military, we probably wouldn't need 100% of our military forces in Asia WITHOUT China's help
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:09 am to TheFonz
A lot of dead American service members.
When I was TDY at red cloud many moons ago I was told in no uncertain terms I was a trip wire for if the North invaded. I should fight hard but know I'm going to die. My job was to let higher command know that shite hit the fan and to kill as many of them before they killed me but to make no mistake it was very unlikely I would survive more that an hour.
Now that was an all out assault by the North scenario not the skirmish BS they would regularly do to try to provoke trouble.
I don't imagine much has changed except the NK leadership has gotten crazier.
When I was TDY at red cloud many moons ago I was told in no uncertain terms I was a trip wire for if the North invaded. I should fight hard but know I'm going to die. My job was to let higher command know that shite hit the fan and to kill as many of them before they killed me but to make no mistake it was very unlikely I would survive more that an hour.
Now that was an all out assault by the North scenario not the skirmish BS they would regularly do to try to provoke trouble.
I don't imagine much has changed except the NK leadership has gotten crazier.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:09 am to TBoy
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The terrifying answer is that the continuing existence of South Korea is in the hands of Donald Trump, a guy with no clue how to handle these matters. He's playing with South Korea's population and infrastructure.
bro
if you don't think we're collaborating with SK and China right now i don't know what to tell you. you're irrational hate of Trump is leading you into legitimate insanity
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:13 am to TBoy
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The terrifying answer is that the continuing existence of South Korea is in the hands of Donald Trump, a guy with no clue how to handle these matters.
Funny how he has done what no other president has done in 50yrs, get China on our side against NK. I think he is a better negotiator than any president we have had since Reagan.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:13 am to Buckeye Backer
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This would be the first "real" uniformed Military we have faced since World War II.
Other than Korea AND China who we fought in the 1950's and Saddam's forces in both Iraq Wars. There are lots of advantages we have facing conventional forces. This is why our enemies prefer to engage us through unconventional means.
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People don't realize that North Korea has a 1.2 million man Army. US has about 1.4 million. North Korea also has a top 5 Air Force. This would be a bloody bloody war.
You should look into Saddam's armed forces in 1991. Much the same was said and extremely high casualties were predicted. Now I'll concede that there are definitely different factors that make North Korea a more dangerous and difficult fight, terrain and our forces located in the DMZ being highly vulnerable to name the most significant.
And I don't know where you got your information that the N Koreans have a "top 5" Air Force, but they stand absolutely no chance to challenge us with their air force. The biggest threat to our aircraft will be from SAM's and not N Korean aircraft. Their air force will be annihilated and irrelevant within a week.
There is no question who would win this war, the major concern is for our troops on the DMZ and the South Koreans.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:18 am to LSUGrrrl
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This is the first answer always given and I once knew how that would happen but can't remember. Can you give a quick rundown of events? I remember Seoul would be destroyed in under 24 hours.
NK has their artillery already zeroed in on Seoul. They get off a few rounds and inflict damage unless we strike those assets first.
A conflict like this can't be just a strike here or there. We need to completely leave their military useless.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:18 am to ChewyDante
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There is no question who would win this war, the major concern is for our troops on the DMZ and the South Koreans.
yes
the initial surge will possibly bring insane levels of casualties (SK bears the biggest risk in this regard), but we will win easily after that
i do have faith that a coordinated effort with China and a first strike by our coalition could minimize these risks, though. China likely knows where all/most of these military stations are and if we had that we could rain down hellfire across NK in strategic locations (esp by the border) to really frick them up before they could respond. that's the best case scenario
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
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A conflict like this can't be just a strike here or there. We need to completely leave their military useless.
exactly
that's why China helping is huge, mainly for their intel (and lack of blowback)
if they have good intel and we work together, we can probably completely dismantle the border armaments and their entire military within an hour (from the sea and air).
i know it's popular to shite on the current state of the US military, but if we know where to strike, we're REALLY good at hitting those targets swiftly and powerfully from a long distance
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:24 am to TheFonz
quote:Well we have a plan that's been red-teamed and war-gamed, but that doesn't mean that's how things will go. Other side has a say in that, too.
A question to our military folk here, especially those who have done time in South Korea. Based on your knowledge and training, what chould we expect to see in the first 72 hours of a new Korean War?
Lets suppose things kick off with a nuke test followed by air strikes, or a missile launch into the Sea of Japan that gets swatted down by the Navy.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:25 am to TheFonz
NK pops off first.....initial hit taken in SK. Massive bombardment from US Air, Japan Naval and Yes China Artillery. 6 hours it is over. NK capital city obliterated, Fat Boy in Hiding Special Forces locate him and the Bucharie commences...
NK is divided between SK and China and all is well.
Losses-SK 650 people
Losses-US Solders 10
Losses-China Solders 1200
Losses-N Korea 120,000 plus one fat f*ck
NK is divided between SK and China and all is well.
Losses-SK 650 people
Losses-US Solders 10
Losses-China Solders 1200
Losses-N Korea 120,000 plus one fat f*ck
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:27 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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A lot of dead American service members. When I was TDY at red cloud many moons ago I was told in no uncertain terms I was a trip wire for if the North invaded. I should fight hard but know I'm going to die. My job was to let higher command know that shite hit the fan and to kill as many of them before they killed me but to make no mistake it was very unlikely I would survive more that an hour.
Basically the whole point of a tour in Korea is to exercise for war. Then drink and sleep with local women.
We would win this conflict for sure but anyone think NK won't get their licks in, needs a reality check.
Any attack on the NK is in total disregarded for SK, unless we strike so hard and fast their military is completely non operational in a matter of minutes.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:27 am to Lilpickles
quote:Yeah that's not how that would go at all.
NK pops off first.....initial hit taken in SK. Massive bombardment from US Air, Japan Naval and Yes China Artillery. 6 hours it is over. NK capital city obliterated, Fat Boy in Hiding Special Forces locate him and the Bucharie commences...
NK is divided between SK and China and all is well.
Losses-SK 650 people
Losses-US Solders 10
Losses-China Solders 1200
Losses-N Korea 120,000 plus one fat f*ck
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:27 am to Lilpickles
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NK pops off first.....initial hit taken in SK. Massive bombardment from US Air, Japan Naval and Yes China Artillery. 6 hours it is over. NK capital city obliterated, Fat Boy in Hiding Special Forces locate him and the Bucharie commences... NK is divided between SK and China and all is well. Losses-SK 650 people Losses-US Solders 10 Losses-China Solders 1200 Losses-N Korea 120,000 plus one fat f*ck
Stop reading fantasy books and playing video games.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
The big question is will we let our military do what needs to be done and go into this scorched earth style or is it another surgical strike type deal and not total destruction of the enemy.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:42 am to reo45
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Do we honestly know whether Pyongyang has that ability to hit Seoul or not?
Every Army officer that pulls time in Korea gets the TS briefing on the projection for the first 96 hours of air and ground combat. You are told the American ground forces will be overwhelmed and essentially you are just buying time for the main effort to get there. Thats a nice way of saying you are going to be killed before the main effort arrives.
What people dont understand is NK entire existence is based on destroying SK. They have prepared and trained for it since 1953. 90% of their offensive weapons are on the border. Their entire military trains for only one mission. They fully understand its essentially a one way trip South.
The casualty estimates are in the millions for ground combat and if they can get missiles up and on target nobody really knows the number but it would be high.
We will win but thousands of Americans and millions of SK are going to die.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:43 am to Lakeboy7
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Every Army officer that pulls time in Korea gets the TS briefing on the projection for the first 96 hours of air and ground combat. You are told the American ground forces will be overwhelmed and essentially you are just buying time for the main effort to get there. Thats a nice way of saying you are going to be killed before the main effort arrives.
What people dont understand is NK entire existence is based on destroying SK. They have prepared and trained for it since 1953. 90% of their offensive weapons are on the border. Their entire military trains for only one mission. They fully understand its essentially a one way trip South.
The casualty estimates are in the millions for ground combat and if they can get missiles up and on target nobody really knows the number but it would be high.
We will win but thousands of Americans and millions of SK are going to die.
Nuh uh.
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