re: War on Prescription Drugs; Hydrocodone now schedule II

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Alcohol, cigarettes, fatty foods, etc ALL have the same and I'd bet A LOT more costs to others associated to them than prescription drug issues.

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Correct. I'll bet most negativity toward drug use is rooted in a social bias based on cultural norms. In reality, there are legal things that are much more harmful.

Why not force everyone to use public transportation since a few people are shitty drivers, and it affects other people?

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My point is abusing drugs does affect others whether you like to think it's all "your body, your decision," or not.

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I haven't read all of this thread, but I read a lot of it.

A lot of people who are getting hydrocodone Rx monthly have chronic pain problems. And I'm speaking for myself. I need a multi-level lumbar fusion at 35 years old because I have spondylolysis, spondylothesis, 3 buldging lumbar discs, a torn disc, and a 4 year old L4 fracture that never completely healed. I don't want to have the surgery and become addicted to serious pain pills. I go to a pain management Dr because they are really the only ones that can Rx narcs to chronic pain patients. I've had nerves burned in my back, and I'm about to go through the series of ESI's, again. I wish he could make everything in my back numb.

I take 2 Norco's a day and a muscle relaxer at night. I'm not a druggie. I work and I'm a functioning member of society. I show up when my Dr asks me to...he counts my pills and I take a piss test. It's not that hard to do.

People who just want the drugs for fun are the problem. I've dealt with someone addicted to heroin. He got hooked because there is nothing wrong with him and he can't get hydrocodone. He has destroyed his life and has hurt everyone that loves him, more than once. I cried and literally begged him to get help and he refused. I finally told him to choose heroin or me. He chose heroin, but he still calls, texts, and shows at my door constantly. I can't make him understand that I love him more than anything but I don't want him in my life if he can't get help. I fought with this for a couple of years until I realized that I can't help his addiction and that I can't save the world. It's the hardest decision that I've ever made, but I had to.

He couldn't get the Oxys/norco so he started shooting up. It's disgusting.

So yeah. Drug addiction destroys everyone that loves you. It may be your body, but when your decisions change who you are, it affects everyone around you. He has been to rehab all over the country. He comes from one of the most wealthy and well known families in LA. Rehab never helped. I got a CC permit because I got to the point that I was terrified to leave my house. He will never change, and it breaks my heart. But I will blow his brains out if he puts his hands on me again.

Tl;dr TMI. frick heroin. It is evil and destroys lives. The druggies make life miserable for people who are really suffering.

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Correct. I'll bet most negativity toward drug use is rooted in a social bias based on cultural norms. In reality, there are legal things that are much more harmful.

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Yup and it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it... I can think they are trashy or morons, but its their right to do whatever the frick they want with their body.

It's not a want for drugs, it's a want for personl freedoms... You've got to remember that - Bill Hicks

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Someone popping an occasional pill isn't necessarily going to affect anyone else.

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It's the butterfly effect.

Three million people in the US and Europe have an opiate addiction which includes prescription and non prescription drugs. LINK

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The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated that close to three million people in Europe and the US are addicted to some type of opiate. In the US alone, over two million people are addicted to prescription opiates.

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So, .006% of the population is addicted to prescription opiates? Epidemic!!!

frick you.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible.


Eta: Being addicted to herion, stealing and having hepatitis C is definitely a personal freedom. My bad.

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So again, I hope you are 100% in favor of banning all alcohol, because thats a butterfly effect... And I'd be the ratio is 100:1 in regards to people killed in alcohol related crashes to medication related crashes.

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I'm not for banning alcohol, tobacco, big gulps, or drugs for that matter in cases where they are needed and used properly. I just think the attitude of some on here that basically says " yolo so f--- it" is the kind of attitude that usually leads to lives that greatly effects society detrimentally. I think everything in moderation is a much better credo.

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MSCoastTigerGirl

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So very close close to home. One of my addicts was on their 12th spinal block and had been taking opiates for over 10 years. It's hard to blame someone who doesn't want to hurt. This person had 3 Drs giving her 120 day prescriptions for opiates and one month finished all three in a thirty day period, and STILL had back pain. At some point, it even makes you more hypersensitive to pain.

Two norcos a day isn't bad. I hope you have the will to keep it at that level.

If you get hooked on legal substances and don't have the resources, heroin is much cheaper than oxy.

I'm staying out of this thread.

Read my other post.


When pill heads can't get hydros/Oxys they turn to other shite.


You were so busy being a dick that you missed my point. I prefer them to have legal narcs vs herion. But carry on.

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Because people feel a certain way about you you are obligated to do what they want?

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you're not obligated to do anything for anyone, we strive to understand how our actions might adversely affect others in order to find peace in our own lives