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Vox: Mueller is going for "Obstruction of Justice"

Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:11 pm
Before we go all "Vox". Understand this is Mueller and FBI leaking this so now we finally get to see Muellers hand. Feds think they have a case on Obstruction of Justice.


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Shortly after the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller in May, acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe told several of the highest-ranking managers of the bureau they should consider themselves possible witnesses in any investigation into whether President Donald Trump engaged in obstruction of justice, according to two senior federal law enforcement officials.

McCabe has told colleagues that he too is a potential witness in the probe of whether Trump broke the law by trying to thwart the FBI's Russia investigation and the investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

Two senior federal law enforcement officials have told me that the new revelations illustrate why they believe the potential case against Trump is stronger than outsiders have thought.

“What you are going to have is the potential for a powerful obstruction case,” a senior law enforcement official said. “You are going to have the [former] FBI director testify, and then the acting director, the chief of staff to the FBI director, the FBI’s general counsel, and then others, one right after another. This has never been the word of Trump against what [James Comey] has had to say. This is more like the Federal Bureau of Investigation versus Donald Trump.”

Trump and his supporters have long argued that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for the special counsel to bring an obstruction case against Trump. The case would rely on the word of one man versus another, that of the president of the United States versus the FBI director he fired. But this was never the case.

Including Comey, as many as 10, and possibly more, of the nation’s most senior law enforcement officials are likely to be questioned as part of the investigation into whether Trump committed obstruction of justice, according to two government investigators with firsthand knowledge of the matter. Comey’s notes on his conversations could also be used as evidence, according to many reports.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48929 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:12 pm to
No case, Dershowitz laid this bare, the president can end an investigation as head of the executive branch. Game set match, this makes me happy if Mueller is going here, it will just be a giant shite show.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
15884 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:13 pm to
bullshite burger
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17037 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:14 pm to
But muh collusion
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9904 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:14 pm to
The ghost of Richard Nixon will be so relieved to hear this.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48929 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:14 pm to
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said. “You are going to have the [former] FBI director testify,


Or illegally leak to an opposition propaganda source, he goes that route too....
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48959 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:14 pm to
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260611 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:14 pm to
Figured that would be the angle.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:15 pm to
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No case, Dershowitz laid this bare, the president can end an investigation as head of the executive branch. Game set match, this makes me happy if Mueller is going here, it will just be a giant shite show.


Problem is the GOP has boxed Trump in on the Mueller investigation. If Trump kills investigation the party is going to crack.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
24980 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:16 pm to
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Mueller is going for "Obstruction of Justice"
Good. There was none. Case closed
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11809 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:16 pm to
I hope this is what happens. We are going to have an epic constitutional crisis.

I used to not be on board with the whole massive deep state conspiracy to take out Trump, but I'm really starting to change my mind.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:16 pm to
This keeps getting posted, and I don't know why. Although the information is new, so the article is newsworthy, there is an important caveat in the very first sentence you cited:
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Shortly after the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller in May
This was right after the firing and the discovery that Trump tried to get Comey to stop the investigation into Flynn.

Since then Comey has testified, and while Trump's actions may have been inappropriate, the evidence doesn't support that they were illegal.

In other words, this shows how Mueller wasn't going to mess around, but the obstruction part itself doesn't seem very relevant to the present state of the investigation.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98843 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:16 pm to
Thank you for the acknowledgment it is Mueller and FBI leaking.

For those watching at home, that's a "for cause" basis for termination.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48959 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:17 pm to
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I hope this is what happens. We are going to have an epic constitutional crisis.

I used to not be on board with the whole massive deep state conspiracy to take out Trump, but I'm really starting to change my mind.


If they remove Trump, there are folks out there that will lose their shite

I'll take Pence either way, but it's fricked up
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:18 pm to
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HailToTheChiz


Trying to actually be serious Chiz. This was always the easiest direction Mueller could go with. The Russia evidence is probably flimsy but Trumps been stepping in it by #1 Admitting he fired Comey based on Russia investigation.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33897 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:19 pm to
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Before we go all "Vox".


Ok

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Understand this is Mueller and FBI leaking this so now we finally get to see Muellers hand.


Leaking this to vox?

Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3452 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:19 pm to
It took that long to try that angle? Wtf have they been doing for 5mo.?

Obstruction - per these 5 liberal FBI guys.

Case closed.

Posted by Foy
Member since Nov 2009
3390 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:19 pm to
brb telling mueller "dershowitz laid this bare"
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:20 pm to
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Problem is the GOP has boxed Trump in on the Mueller investigation.


That was completely against their own political self interests btw.

Why do you think democrats in Congress never said anything about Obama making Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch keep everything in house at the DOJ for every scandal and never letting a special counsel get appointed?

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If Trump kills investigation the party is going to crack.


I don't give a shite about a party that continually promised to repeal ObamaCare and its still the fricking law of the land today.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:20 pm to
Dershowitz has gravitas brah.
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