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re: Video of Richard Spencer giving a speech to white nationalists
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:31 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:31 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
quote:You say that but you do not demonstrate how it is true or why it is even important. In other words, another empty, vapid Progresive whine that attempts (and fails) to establish some degree of correlation.
He is prominent in the alt right movement.
Sorry. Until you own what HRC and the DNC did in the primaries and during the general election this is not going to get much more than a yawn.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:35 pm to Jbird
quote:Seriously, who is he and why should I care if he has a meeting with a few of his friends and they espouse radical views?
Eric didn't know until today either
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:35 pm to goofball
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Or is this another quest to paint all Trump supporters as racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic/deplorable based on a room full of screw ups?
That's a resounding YES.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:37 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Richard Spencer is one of the most prominent alt right members, a frequent topic in political news lately.
Apparently prominent among the Alt Right means that no one other than the progressive left has ever heard of them.
Why do you think this is in political news lately?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:41 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
quote:The only places where it is a prominent topic are loony leftist news outlets like CNN.
Richard Spencer is one of the most prominent alt right members, a frequent topic in political news lately.
Nobody GAF. Keep living in a bubble. You helped get Trump elected.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:39 am to Frank Black
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Seriously, who is he and why should I care if he has a meeting with a few of his friends and they espouse radical views?
You should care because he coined the label that many on this site and others are slapping on themselves, apparently ignorant of it's origin. By virtue of being the creator of the term, Spencer has the power of defining the term. And his definition prominently includes a white supremacist element.
It's very possible that almost no one who identifies themselves as "alt-right" harbors white nationalist sentiments. Maybe they just want to put America first and post Pepe memes. But by self-identifying with the group, you're pointlessly handing the opposition a cudgel with which to rhetorically club you.
Because you're never going to fully divorce the CREATOR of a term from the meaning/purpose with which he endowed it.
Since the term "alt-right" is not essential to the Trump movement, I don't understand the opposition to tossing it aside.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:49 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
I was waiting for this video to drop on this board in particular. While it was making its rounds I thought, if there's a group of people who can defend this and try and point blame elsewhere it's these people.
Has not disappointed.
Has not disappointed.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:53 am to member12
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Apparently prominent among the Alt Right means that no one other than the progressive left has ever heard of them.
I'm nothing close to "progressive left", but I had heard of Spencer long ago.
Here's the Anti-Defamation League in 2013 calling Spencer "A Symbol Of The New White Supremacy"
Here's an article (sub required) from the April issue of Time magazine featuring Spencer:
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Why do you think this is in political news lately?
Because many on the right are unwittingly tarring themselves as holding white supremacist views simply by adopting the label created by this white supremacist. If you really want to "MAGA", self-identifying as a racist is probably counterproductive.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:56 am to goofball
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What exactly does this have to do with Trump again? Is he considering this guy for some appointed position? Was he there when this happened? Or is this another quest to paint all Trump supporters as racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic/deplorable based on a room full of screw ups?
Oh the vindication running through my veins feels so good. The fact this comment is upvoted is absolutely peerrrrrrfect. Your logic here is the EXACT logic you refused to take when any racial shite happened, you blamed obama. And if you wanna blame obama for not stepping in and denouncing this nonsense, then you better be well prepared to just take it on the chin when it's brought to your attention that trump isn't denouncing this shite either. It's actually pretty amazing the lengths and hoops y'all are going through to avoid simply admitting that THIS is the exact thing you didn't want brought to light. It could very well be the vast minority that behaves like this but you all wanted so badly that it was 0 people who would get called on this. I appreciate the honesty though, and it definitely serves as some clarity on where we all are.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:59 am to olddawg26
Wait, did this thread get anchored?
ETA: Yup, sure did. That's... curious.
ETA: Yup, sure did. That's... curious.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 4:01 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:01 am to Mirthomatic
Holy shite it did. That's incredible, and none of them know any better
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:02 am to Mirthomatic
It's like they know how awful this video looks. God forbid something comes out that actually vindicates what people are afraid of.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 7:15 am to goofball
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His prominence is questionable if no one on this right-leaning message board seems to have heard of him except the progressive posters.
Unlike what most here would like to believe, this is a normie political forum. /pol/ and the Alt Right have been way ahead of the general population on just about everything over the past year. Spencer coined the term "Alt Right".
Of course what even more people also fail to understand is that the Alt Right is leaderless. Spencer is a public face, but he is not a leader. Anyone who claims to be a leader within the Alt Right is a liar. There are people with more influence, but it's a movement that began and is continuing organically, which is one of the major reasons why the media is freaking out about it. They don't have one person they can point to in order to destroy the movement and it really doesn't help that they have ruined their credibility to such an extent that no one trusts them anymore.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 7:31 am to Vander
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Of course what even more people also fail to understand is that the Alt Right is leaderless. Spencer is a public face, but he is not a leader. Anyone who claims to be a leader within the Alt Right is a liar. There are people with more influence, but it's a movement that began and is continuing organically, which is one of the major reasons why the media is freaking out about it. They don't have one person they can point to in order to destroy the movement and it really doesn't help that they have ruined their credibility to such an extent that no one trusts them anymore.
You can't adopt the label of a movement coined by an individual and then insist that that individual is not a leader of the movement they named. Simply by using the label, you are willingly following that individual on at least that (small) score. If you willingly adopt the same label, you're going to have a damn hard time convincing people that the label is all you share.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 7:32 am to olddawg26
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It's like they know how awful this video looks. God forbid something comes out that actually vindicates what people are afraid of.
Hard to avoid this conclusion.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 7:36 am to Mirthomatic
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You can't adopt the label of a movement coined by an individual and then insist that that individual is not a leader of the movement they named. Simply by using the label, you are willingly following that individual on at least that (small) score. If you willingly adopt the same label, you're going to have a damn hard time convincing people that the label is all you share.
He's not a leader of the movement, I don't know what else to tell you. He's a more famous leader, but even in the Alt Right, many of whom came to these beliefs through means other than radix journal, Spencer was just someone who was more popular.
This is why there is an entire meme dedicated to this very fact. "I am the leader of the Alt Right" is what everyone says and the media falls for it every time.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 7:46 am to Vander
What I'm telling you is that even assuming for the sake of argument that he is not one of the leaders of the alt-right movement, no one who is not part of the movement is going to believe that guy who NAMED the movement isn't one of it's leaders.
Simply by virtue of calling yourselves "Alt-Right", you're handicapping your message and your cause.
Simply by virtue of calling yourselves "Alt-Right", you're handicapping your message and your cause.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:00 am to Vander
lol I still think it's hilarious that the people on this board think they're being the honest true side and are completely side stepping what's going on in this video. By anchoring and IGNORING this, it's doing what they don't want to happen and just securing my thought that this is either way more of the common theme among trump voters, or isn't a big deal at all. The correct way to deal with this is to address is and condemn it, what just happened here is concerning.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:21 am to olddawg26
Oh please. Take your histrionics elsewhere.
This is literally a dude with 200 people, less than my last Homeowners Association meeting.
My point stands that it's liberals helping spread this hateful message by blasting it everywhere rather than leaving it on the fringes where it belongs.
This is literally a dude with 200 people, less than my last Homeowners Association meeting.
My point stands that it's liberals helping spread this hateful message by blasting it everywhere rather than leaving it on the fringes where it belongs.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:34 am to Eighteen
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My point stands that it's liberals helping spread this hateful message by blasting it everywhere rather than leaving it on the fringes where it belongs.
Every time someone claims to be a member of the "alt-right", they are tying themselves to this guy. That's just a fact.
Don't agree with this guy? Then don't claim to be a part of the movement he christened.
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