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Venezuela is a good example of why citizens need guns
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:55 pm
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In 2012, Venezuela instituted a new gun law banning the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition; only the army, police and security companies could buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer. Venezuela’s economy has plummeted, leading to massive shortages of food and medicine. During the nationwide protests, six people have been killed, including a 17-year-old boy who was shot in the head. Add Venezuela to the long list of countries where citizens have been told to surrender their arms, only to find that they were left vulnerable at a later date.
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:58 pm to Revelator
quote:seems odd that anyone would need guns in paradise
; only the army, police and security companies could buy arms
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:58 pm to Revelator
Actually it's a better example of the need for limited government
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:59 pm to Mr.Perfect
Actually that's not a better or worse example, just another example.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:01 am to Mr.Perfect
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Actually it's a better example of the need for limited government
It's an even better example of the need for citizens to bear arms to ensure limited government.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:02 am to Revelator
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"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:03 am to Mr.Perfect
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Actually it's a better example of the need for limited government
Im pretty sure that the government convinced the citizens that this was for their own good.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:04 am to Revelator
Read it here"Surviving Argentinas Economic Collapse" was a great read about this very thing.
And here is an interview with him
Fer
And here is an interview with him
Fer
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 12:24 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:05 am to Revelator
Also, good example of why dictatorships are bad.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:09 am to Revelator
No doubt
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:10 am to cito
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Also, good example of why dictatorships are bad.
Dictatorships, at least theoretically, can be good. Done well, it is actually the best form of governance, IMO. It's just the transition that's a real bitch.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:13 am to HempHead
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Done well, it is actually the best form of governance,
Singapore being the prime example. Dictatorships in countries over a certain size seem untenable in the modern era.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:16 am to Revelator
One big problem in America is that too many of the citizens only view the government as benevolent and never think that they can become malevolent.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 12:17 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:16 am to crazy4lsu
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Singapore being the prime example. Dictatorships in countries over a certain size seem untenable in the modern era.
City-states gonna make a comeback, baw.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:18 am to HempHead
We had the chance, with technology progressing the way it was, to move to a decentralized system which would mimic the city state structure. Maybe it might happen still but it seems the centralization push is the path that has been chosen.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:20 am to saintsfan1977
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"Surviving Argentinas Economic Collapse" was a great read about this very thing.
There was this guy, back in the day 15 years ago or so, who used to post a lot on a board I owned ... went by the name Ferfal. He used to tell some good stories, real time, about what was going on down there.
We ended-up having to perma ban him for something or other ... I had forgotten about him until just now. But he posted from the middle of it all and his IP checked out at the time - the place has been a mess for a long long time.
Lessons learned:
Have firearms, several, lots of ammo and a place to stash them separately.
Have a lot of backup food and a way to get fresh water.
Have things you can barter and, maybe, a few precious metals, gold chains you can cut up into pieces, etc.
Have some First Aid stuff set aside, and a way to handle dental emergencies as well.
Lay low, get out of the cities and avoid everyone if possible.
Forget about keeping a nice car ... someone will either Jack it from you or you will not find gas or something will break down and it'll be unfixable.
Seeds for a garden were/are a big item.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:25 am to scrooster
Thats him
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:28 am to Revelator
While I get the factor that the government has a certain control, they will never control gun ownership in the US. They may control ammunition as an avenue but too many folks have unregistered weapons for them to account for.
I used to be included in that count but had a boat accident and all of the weapons I owned sank to the bottom if a high flowing river....
Hoping to save enough for my next red ryder soon.
I used to be included in that count but had a boat accident and all of the weapons I owned sank to the bottom if a high flowing river....
Hoping to save enough for my next red ryder soon.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 12:33 am to Tigerswillprevail
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I used to be included in that count but had a boat accident and all of the weapons I owned sank to the bottom if a high flowing river....
;^)
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:47 am to Tigerswillprevail
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While I get the factor that the government has a certain control, they will never control gun ownership in the US
I always laugh when I hear people talking about an outright ban on firearms. There is no way to enforce it and any attempts to do so would result in nationwide resistance.
I also don't believe most law enforcement or military would turn on their own citizens for owning firearms, regardless of law.
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