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Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:38 pm to fareplay
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Reason we have shitty teachers is because it doesnt pay and it isnt a sexy job.
Nope. This is due to frivolous lawsuits and the threat of being labeled a child molester by a random parent who just doesn't like you. It's a real concern for people looking into teaching. We have garbage teachers because the people who go into teaching in those types of environments will not push the children to learn because they know where that will lead.
If we are going to pay more, then we must also remove the defined benefit pension plans and also tenure.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:39 pm to imjustafatkid
So you are saying there is risks to being a teacher
i agree, and high risk low pay is no investment for me
i agree, and high risk low pay is no investment for me
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:40 pm to fareplay
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So you are saying there is risks to being a teacher
i agree, and high risk low pay is no investment for me
An increase in pay would not be enough to fix the risk.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:40 pm to fareplay
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Friend of mine from Vancouver is a music teacher making 93k in 3rd year
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Of course, that's a little over 70K in USD.
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even if vancouver is expensive, not even sf teachers make that amount after 10 years.
LINK
The median annual Teacher Elementary School salary in San Francisco, CA is $68,639
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:41 pm to JoeHackett
Now change the experience level to 1-3 years.
53k.
53k.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:43 pm to fareplay
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Reason we have shitty teachers is because it doesnt pay and it isnt a sexy
This is a bullshite talking point. Teachers make more than the average median household income and do it in 9 months. And they usually have decent benefits and a good retirement.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:43 pm to crazy4lsu
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Except our score has improved. Our score in 1980 was 0.790 and now it is 0.890. Given that the index is scored from 0 to 1, that is an improvement. Other countries have seemingly improved more, but the US has been consistently top five in those rankings since 1980.
For 4 times as much money spent per student(adjusted for inflation) than in 1980
Not a good return on investment
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:44 pm to the808bass
You shouldnt group teachers with people who work in fast food etc.
Take the average of a bachelors degree holder with a certificate and teachers will be on the lower percentile.
also I am not a teacher and neither are you, but I am pretty sure they dont work only 9 months.
Take the average of a bachelors degree holder with a certificate and teachers will be on the lower percentile.
also I am not a teacher and neither are you, but I am pretty sure they dont work only 9 months.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:45 pm to fareplay
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Friend of mine from Vancouver is a music teacher making 93k in 3rd year think about that for a second; even if vancouver is expensive, not even sf teachers make that amount after 10 years.
Michelle Rhee paid teachers nearly 6 figure and handed out bonuses for teachers that performed well.
She was then fired (technically stepped down) because unions got mad because she was firing teachers that weren't performing.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:45 pm to Loserman
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For 4 times as much money spent per student(adjusted for inflation) than in 1980
Not a good return on investment
I agree completely.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:46 pm to fareplay
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Now change the experience level to 1-3 years.
You said they don't make that in 10 years not 1-3. You're just trolling at this point.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:46 pm to JoeHackett
is 68k 70k?
also even if you change the exp level, its still at max 61k.
also even if you change the exp level, its still at max 61k.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:52 pm to LSURussian
Rankings are kind of shaky, anyway, right? For example, Finland ranked number one, but I think they take a significant number of their kids and put them on a vocational track whereby they won't be evaluated in the ratings. We don't do that.
Our university system is second to none, though. That is, it will be until the government screws it up by offering free tuition to everyone...
Our university system is second to none, though. That is, it will be until the government screws it up by offering free tuition to everyone...
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:54 pm to fareplay
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also I am not a teacher and neither are you, but I am pretty sure they dont work only 9 months.
You get summer jobs for extra money.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:58 pm to fareplay
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also I am not a teacher and neither are you, but I am pretty sure they dont work only 9 months.
The most teacher contract days per state is 200 and the lowest is 175. 5 days per work week = 40 weeks for a high and 35 weeks for the low.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:03 pm to fareplay
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degree holder with a certificate and teachers will be on the lower percentile.
Average starting college salary was $50k for 2015. Average starting teacher salary was $36k. Adjusted for a 9.5 month work year for a teacher is $45.4k.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:15 pm to fareplay
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Reason we have shitty teachers is because it doesnt pay and it isnt a sexy job.
I read an article in yesterday's NYT about the lack of black teachers in K-12 schools in America. The article could have been a word by word reprint from the same articles from 30 years ago.
The dynamic is the same today as it was then. If you're a black guy with a college degree from a good school and you have the acumen to teach HS English Lit at a good school you could make triple the salary in private sector businesses because they can compete with any school district in America.
This applies to whites in STEM fields but that's more narrow.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:19 pm to fareplay
No it's not. My sister was a teacher. She stopped because there is zero discipline in schools. The students ruled the system.
She taught in 3 states.
She taught in 3 states.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:20 pm to fareplay
quote:Why did you claim in your anchored thread that you have a degree in agricultural economics and to be an "economist" when you posted in this thread you started on 2/3/17 that you majored in "education and physical therapy"?
fareplay
2.53 gpa in education and physical therapy?!?!
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