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United auto workers joins others in the anti NAFTA camp..
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:44 pm
Mexico, Canada, AFL-CIO, United Auto Workers...
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Because we CAN had manufacturing here and tech.
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Because we CAN had manufacturing here and tech.
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Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:45 pm to Jjdoc
But so many from the board will say this can't happen because of unions.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:46 pm to Jjdoc
I'm just very skeptical manufacturing as it once was will come back. Automation has changed the game, and we haven't pivoted our education system to account for the change.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:51 pm to crazy4lsu
Why would UAW been for NAFTA in the first place? It was a knife at their throats.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:53 pm to crazy4lsu
You have some jobs lost due to automation. But ask yourself this questions. How many jobs are in just Mexico with actual workers. They didn't move there for the automation
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:55 pm to Jjdoc
There are factory jobs in right to work states. But wide-scale manufacturing isn't coming back to what it once was.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:55 pm to crazy4lsu
I've been involved with manufacturing for my whole career (going on 30 years). I've worked with facilities in the US, Canada, Mexico, Malaysia and China and I will be the first one to say that it will be VERY difficult to bring manufacturing back to the US. The problem isn't so much with the actual manufacturing aspect, but with the SUPPLY CHAIN. A vast majority of components that go into any product are manufactured outside the US. In order to establish manufacturing here, parts have to be imported from overseas, which becomes cost prohibitive. It will take years to re-establish a local supply chain that would make it cost effective to manufacture in the US again.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:55 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:56 pm to 1984Tiger
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It will take years to re-establish a local supply chain that would make it cost effective to manufacture in the US again.
In addition to the years it will take to renegotiate trade deals.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:56 pm to SelaTiger
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But so many from the board will say this can't happen because of unions.
It's always humorous when morons confuse an opposition to government unions with an opposition to any unions.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:04 pm to Jjdoc
quote:No but it's about cost and efficiency. If labor in Mexico costs X, technology costs Y, and labor here costs Z, then Z must be cheaper than X and Y for those jobs to come back.
How many jobs are in just Mexico with actual workers. They didn't move there for the automation
The problem is that Y will only continue to become cheaper and more efficient, especially if there is even more incentive to focus on it.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:07 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:There clearly is a big distinction between public and private unions, BUT both suffer from the same fundamental problems.
It's always humorous when morons confuse an opposition to government unions with an opposition to any unions.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm just very skeptical manufacturing as it once was will come back. Automation has changed the game, and we haven't pivoted our education system to account for the change.
Also, a lot of people seem to forget that free trade does benefit some states more than others. Louisiana's economy is heavily driven by exports, particularly in the New Orleans region. We probably would have been net beneficiaries from TPP because Japan is one of our largest trading partners.
I'm hoping Trump's rhetoric on trade is more saber-rattling than anything.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:12 pm to 1984Tiger
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The problem isn't so much with the actual manufacturing aspect, but with the SUPPLY CHAIN. A vast majority of components that go into any product are manufactured outside the US. In order to establish manufacturing here, parts have to be imported from overseas, which becomes cost prohibitive. It will take years to re-establish a local supply chain that would make it cost effective to manufacture in the US again.
Low energy cuck talk.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:13 pm to maine82
Also, the only way you'll ever get low-skilled worker-based factories from Mexico is if your net labor costs are cheaper than their labor costs after you factor in tariffs. Even if you slap tariffs on Mexico, I'm not sure that's possible.
Ultimately, the only way costs would be even if is somehow you were able to get countries to sign onto a global minimum wage, and developing nations will never agree to that.
Ultimately, the only way costs would be even if is somehow you were able to get countries to sign onto a global minimum wage, and developing nations will never agree to that.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:18 pm to Jjdoc
factory workers in Mexico make something like 200 pesos/day .... Roughly $10 USD. Let that sink in. We have people demanding to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. The only way the US can compete is with automation .
Posted on 11/12/16 at 4:19 am to 1984Tiger
Oh friggin bull shite!
1- years to negotiate? Has it been years since Trump took office? No. In fact an he hasn't even been sworn in and the PM of Canada and the president of Mexico has public stated they are ready to renegotiate NAFTA.
2- let's go ahead and talk about 10$ per hour. What is the tax rate those businesses are paying there? That's but one offset.
Manufacturers would gladly pay a higher wage and be in the US when the taxes offset that.
1- years to negotiate? Has it been years since Trump took office? No. In fact an he hasn't even been sworn in and the PM of Canada and the president of Mexico has public stated they are ready to renegotiate NAFTA.
2- let's go ahead and talk about 10$ per hour. What is the tax rate those businesses are paying there? That's but one offset.
Manufacturers would gladly pay a higher wage and be in the US when the taxes offset that.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 4:26 am to 1984Tiger
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I will be the first one to say that it will be VERY difficult to bring manufacturing back to the US.
Quit looking at it as a short term fix. Remember, it takes a helluva lot longer to build a house than it does to tear it down. Patience my friend.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 4:39 am to 1984Tiger
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The problem isn't so much with the actual manufacturing aspect, but with the SUPPLY CHAIN. A vast majority of components that go into any product are manufactured outside the US. In order to establish manufacturing here, parts have to be imported from overseas, which becomes cost prohibitive. It will take years to re-establish a local supply chain that would make it cost effective to manufacture in the US again.
And yet foreign manufacturers like Kia (in West Point, GA) are able to cluster their suppliers around that massive plant in pretty short order.
Posted on 11/12/16 at 4:46 am to Jjdoc
Why does anyone care if manufacturing jobs come back? Someone tell me why it has to be manufacturing. Is this a nostalgic dream or some stupid shite like that?
I gotta tell you, i can think of at keast 6 industries in which deregulation wojld result in the need for massive manpower. None of those jobs will be factory jobs. Who wants to work in a factory anyway?
I gotta tell you, i can think of at keast 6 industries in which deregulation wojld result in the need for massive manpower. None of those jobs will be factory jobs. Who wants to work in a factory anyway?
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