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re: Unconstitutional
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:21 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:21 am to Fun Bunch
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Is Arkansas State a state run school? Did the school pay for the uniforms? For the stadium? For the field? For the practice facilities? Do they pay for travel? The Coach's salary?
Do y'all REALLY want our country to be a place where people are forbidden, if they want to participate fully in public life, from displaying small unobtrusive symbols of the things that matter most to them? Why would we choose to interpret our laws this way?
What exactly is it about a cross or crescent that makes it unsuitable for display?
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:22 am to Lg
quote:What is the Separation Clause?
Is this not also a violation of the Seperation Clause?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:23 am to uway
Freedom of religion has been inverted.
It's supposed to protect these things, not ban them.
It's supposed to protect these things, not ban them.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:25 am to genro
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Students can't wear a cross necklace?
That is not a valid comparison. Sorry.
The jurisprudence clearly delineates between the two issues.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:25 am to Cruiserhog
quote:It's not hard to understand bigotry. In fact it's pretty clear.
keep religion at home and church, not on state purchased helmets at a state university.
what is so damn hard to understand about that.
We could say the same about gheys. Keep it hidden and out of government sanctioned marriage.
What are you scared of? Leave people that are doing no harm to you alone.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:26 am to uway
quote:
Do y'all REALLY want our country to be a place where people are forbidden, if they want to participate fully in public life, from displaying small unobtrusive symbols of the things that matter most to them? Why would we choose to interpret our laws this way?
No, I don't want that. INDIVIDUALS, in their INDIVIDUAL capacity, should be able to do whatever they want.
In their PUBLIC capacity (ie State Sponsored), they cannot.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:27 am to Fun Bunch
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Is Arkansas State a state run school? Did the school pay for the uniforms? For the stadium? For the field? For the practice facilities? Do they pay for travel? The Coach's salary?
Have you checked the back of your money lately? If God offends you unbelievers so much, stop using the currency.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:27 am to Fun Bunch
I find it hard to believe the individuals had no say in this. Football teams hand out stickers like this sometimes. It's up to the players to participate.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:27 am to Taxing Authority
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We could say the same about gheys. Keep it hidden and out of government sanctioned marriage.
There's a specific clause in the Constitution talking about religion.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:29 am to Lg
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Have you checked the back of your money lately? If God offends you unbelievers so much, stop using the currency.
This is a stupid argument and holds no bearing on the current issue.
God does not offend me at all. As I've said, I think people who are annoyed by things like stickers on helmets, they need to get a life.
However, I'm strictly talking legality and constitutional law, something I know a great deal about.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
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The jurisprudence clearly delineates between the two issues.
The jurisprudence be damned. Why do YOU accept this interpretation of our Constitution and laws?
I just don't understand why we play along with this nonsense.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
There's a specific clause in the Constitution talking about religion.
quote:You're right. The school/coaches/players were exercising their freedom of religion, and liberals prohibited it. Clearly a constitutional violation.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:30 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
What is the Separation Clause?
Sorry. Establishment clause. Separation of church and state and all. Which really isn't in the Constitution.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:31 am to genro
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Football teams hand out stickers like this sometimes. It's up to the players to participate.
Courts have routinely and almost entirely rejected this, saying that in the bounds of a team activity, they can say that a player has a choice all they want, but they really do not, due to societal and team constructs.
Also, state run football teams are seen as just as much a spokesman for the government as elected officials under the law, so a cross on a helmet would be promotion of one religion over another.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:32 am to Lg
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Sorry. Establishment clause. Separation of church and state and all. Which really isn't in the Constitution.
Some of the Founding Fathers definitely thought it was, and there are numerous comments to this effect from Jefferson and others, which is where the Supreme Court got the interpretation from.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Well that has no basis of proof whatsoever, and you're applying certain ideas of human nature to individuals. Pretty silly. It's obviously a cop-out to ban religious expression.
Courts have routinely and almost entirely rejected this, saying that in the bounds of a team activity, they can say that a player has a choice all they want, but they really do not, due to societal and team constructs.
quote:More speculation about culture and perception, with absolutely no proof of this. I'm so happy liberals have human nature all figured out.
Also, state run football teams are seen as just as much a spokesman for the government as elected officials under the law, so a cross on a helmet would be promotion of one religion over another.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:34 am to Lg
quote:
Jonesboro attorney Louis Nisenbaum
Didn't realize that you could get 25 lbs of sand in a vagina until now.
This wasn't hurting anyone; victimhood must be a glorious condition to have and the pussification of America continues to piss me off.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:34 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
However, I'm strictly talking legality and constitutional law,
Is the U.S. Treasury not a government entity?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:35 am to genro
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I'm so happy liberals have human nature all figured out.
I'm a Republican that has never voted for a Democrat in his life.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:36 am to Fun Bunch
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Courts have routinely and almost entirely rejected this, saying that in the bounds of a team activity, they can say that a player has a choice all they want, but they really do not, due to societal and team constructs.
Also, state run football teams are seen as just as much a spokesman for the government as elected officials under the law, so a cross on a helmet would be promotion of one religion over another.
This is all spot on. Everyone else, listen to this man. He knows what he's talking about.
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