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Tucker Carlson stokes the flames of class war
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:41 pm
I'm glad Comrade Carlson has joined our fight against the bourgeoisie
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:45 pm to CommoDawg
This is a fricking dumb talking point, whether tucker or Bernie are saying it.
Somebody being on welfare is not evidence that employers are "getting away" with anything. The two concepts are not even related.
Somebody being on welfare is not evidence that employers are "getting away" with anything. The two concepts are not even related.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:35 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Really> ? I stay out of the Pol forum for a reason usually, However. If Amazon, Walmart, And many other major corporations/companies would pay a living wage with benefits these folks wouldn't be sucking off the government tit that the rest of us pay for.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:36 am to Razorback Reverend
So what constitutes a living wage?
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:43 am to Razorback Reverend
quote:
If Amazon, Walmart, And many other major corporations/companies would pay a living wage with benefits these folks wouldn't be sucking off the government tit that the rest of us pay for.
They pay what people will come and work to earn. If the govt didn’t pay welfare these people would work elsewhere or get two jobs.
We live in a free country. Here’s the job, here’s what it pays, don’t like it, find something else. Would you go into Walmart and find something you want to buy then demand they sell it for less simply because you can not afford it?
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:48 am to CommoDawg
So you are against people freely choosing to work for an agreed upon wage?
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:57 am to Razorback Reverend
quote:
If Amazon, Walmart, And many other major corporations/companies would pay a living wage with benefits these folks wouldn't be sucking off the government tit that the rest of us pay for.
So let me get this straight: If all of those low wage employers (amazon, mcdonalds, walmart) disappeared overnight, would the welfare bill rise or fall?
You seem to be arguing welfare costs would fall.
That makes zero sense.
Guys, LMAO, this is not a hard concept to understand:
Welfare payments are not subsidies to low wage industries, they are subsidies to people earning low wages.
THE VERY POINT OF A WELFARE STATE IS TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO WORKERS WHO ARE OF LITTLE VALUE TO THE ECONOMY
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 1:03 am
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
So let me get this straight: If all of those low wage employers (amazon, mcdonalds, walmart) disappeared overnight, would the welfare bill rise or fall?
You seem to be arguing welfare costs would fall.
While I am not for it the above disappearing would absolutely make welfare rates fall, their entire business model is built around displacing workers.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:03 am to FooManChoo
If those people turn around and start using my tax dollars to make up the difference, you better believe I am.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:09 am to Boatshoes
quote:If your concerned how “your” tax dollars are being spent you should be for ending welfare. Not taking your neighbors’ stuff.
If those people turn around and start using my tax dollars to make up the difference, you better believe I am.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:09 am to Boatshoes
What's ironic is that the welfare state has been found to actually RAISE WAGE RATES. Why? Because the welfare state dramatically raises the reservation wage (the wage needed to entice a person to enter the labor force) of workers.
A worker who has access to all kinds of benefits while not working is going to demand a higher wage rate to give up all those goodies and accept a job.
A worker who has access to all kinds of benefits while not working is going to demand a higher wage rate to give up all those goodies and accept a job.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:12 am to OSqueal
quote:
So what constitutes a living wage?
w/e the threshold to not receive welfare would be a start.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:13 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Amazon will hire anyone, don’t pay shite, and evaluate performance by timing output. Friend of mine put in 15 Miles in a 10hr shift. It’s def not skilled work, but employees have been available. Low unemployment will force amazon to raise wages or move away from 2 day delivery.
ETA: average employee is there for under 3 months. Basically a temp job when that’s the only option.
ETA: average employee is there for under 3 months. Basically a temp job when that’s the only option.
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 1:20 am
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:16 am to CommoDawg
Bezos is responsible for the death of Toys R Us, so he can ligma and sugma.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:17 am to 3 Dimes Down
Another thing to ponder:
If you really do think welfare is a subsidy to the employers then you'd be just fine with not making any welfare payments at all: for, obviously, the employers would then pick up the weight of that subsidy they're no longer getting.
So, does anyone ACTUALLY believe that wages would rise if welfare was abolished? No. Then welfare isn't a subsidy to the companies then, is it?
If you really do think welfare is a subsidy to the employers then you'd be just fine with not making any welfare payments at all: for, obviously, the employers would then pick up the weight of that subsidy they're no longer getting.
So, does anyone ACTUALLY believe that wages would rise if welfare was abolished? No. Then welfare isn't a subsidy to the companies then, is it?
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 1:21 am
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:19 am to CommoDawg
Nobody take you seriously CommunistDawg. If you stopped posting beta thread after beta thread you’d have some credibility, but not at the current moment.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:24 am to ZOU
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Yes, the welfare system of the United States does provide subsidies. However, these are not subsidies to the profit margins of low wage employers like Walmart and McDonald's. Instead, as this journalist and that respected economist point out, they are subsidies to low wage employees themselves. Which is is rather good, for that's obviously the reason that we have a welfare system at all, so that those who cannot, through their own labour, gain a standard of living we consider marginally acceptable do indeed gain that standard of living we consider at least marginally acceptable. Because we tax rich people to give money to poor people.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:25 am to CommoDawg
I see what Tucker did there.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:28 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I sell cars part-time to people who’ve ruined their credit. Welfare recipients don’t have the income to qualify for a loan. No job = no car. We’ve had plenty of amazon employees buy cars. They get a new job within a month or two or quit and lose their car.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:37 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I have noticed the people that take a job at Amazon typically do it between jobs.
They used to be a major employer of our customers. In the past year, I haven’t even talked to an amazon employee looking to buy a car.
They used to be a major employer of our customers. In the past year, I haven’t even talked to an amazon employee looking to buy a car.
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