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Trump’s latest filing in the MAL case to dismiss might derail Jack and save SCOTUS.

Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:43 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:43 pm
That is, save SCOTUS from ruling on immunity in the DC case.

Trump just filed a brief with Judge Cannon stating that Jack Smith as a private citizen is an illegal appointment through the appointment clause and is being paid by the DOJ illegally through the appropriations clause.

Jack did not go through the normal senate advise and consent appointment process that US attorneys normally go through and congress did not appropriate funds for an unconstitutional appointment.

This was filed yesterday and Jack will have time to respond to Trump’s motion to dismiss on which Trump will respond to Jack’s response. So this may take a couple or few weeks for Judge Cannon to make a ruling.

I’m not a lawyer but this motion appears to be on pretty solid constitutional grounds.

If dismissed this also potentially saves SCOTUS from ruling on the immunity issue in the DC case which I have a strong feeling John Roberts would rather avoid because he does not want to be seen as saving Trump and politically tainting his court.

If Judge Cannon rules in Trump’s favor and the 11 Circuit upholds, Jack is done in both cases.

Full run down of the motion here: LINK

Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by Clemson_all_in1979
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Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:50 pm to
It's almost like someone is trying to stop him from running for president
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:43 am to
Bump for the Sunday legal scholars.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:51 am to
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Full run down of the motion here: LINK

Can we post the actual motion and not a grifter's analysis of it?
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:54 am to
Worth a try but I have a feeling they will claim no standing unless they REALLY want to make this go away.
Posted by Deuces
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:54 am to
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Bump for the Sunday legal scholars.


They’re doing this because they want him to run!

Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:54 am to
I found it: LINK
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:54 am to
It will be glorious, especially if Jack Smith must pay back his ill gotten gains acquired through the illegal appointment.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:56 am to
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Worth a try but I have a feeling they will claim no standing


This case is already within standing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 11:57 am to
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they will claim no standing

I don't think that's possible
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:05 pm to
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In appointing Smith, Attorney General Garland relied on regulations promulgated by Janet Reno pursuant to the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, Pub. L. No. 95-521. See Office of Special Counsel, 64 Fed. Reg. 37,038 (July 9, 1999) (codified at 28 C.F.R. §§ 600.1-600.10) (the “Reno Regulations”). Under the Reno Regulations, the Attorney General may “appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for [a] matter.” 28 C.F.R. § 600.1. However, the Reno Regulations are not the type of “law” that can “establish[]” a federal office because the Appointments Clause dictates that only Congress can create a federal office. See U.S. CONST. art. II, § 2, cl. 2.



So that is the conflict.

The ultimate argument is claiming that the "Reno Regulations" are unconstitutional, without making that specific argument.

quote:

quote:

Neither Nixon nor the case that purported to follow it, In re Grand Jury Investigation, 916 F.3d 1047, 1053 (D.C. Cir. 2019), engaged in a textual analysis of §§ 509, 510, 515, and 533 to determine if those sections do, in fact, authorize the appointment of a “Special Prosecutor.”



I'm not going to read those cases, but when an attorney says "this ruling missed something due to ignoring the textual analysis", it's a hail mary, in legal terms. It means cases have already covered the issue directly, but this esoteric analysis should have been used. It's unlikely to survive on the first level of appeal and I don't know if this would be proper for teh Supreme Court to review.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:09 pm to
So the DOJ can appoint any attorney as an officer without input from congress?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:12 pm to
So the Smirh appointment wasn’t even a normal, by the book, appointment?

Jesus.

How many law changes, statute of limitation adjustments and other irregularities need to be created just to drag Trump into court?

Much less all of the extra judicial things happening once he’s there?

Like every single case has to have this windy and twisty fabricated pathway just to get it started. It’s unreal.
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:24 pm to
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So the Smirh appointment wasn’t even a normal, by the book, appointment?

I don't think this is true. They're trying to challenge longstanding practices (since the Clinton admin at least) in appointing SCs.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

So the DOJ can appoint any attorney as an officer without input from congress?


Here is the regulation:

LINK

quote:

28 CFR § 600.1 - Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.

§ 600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.
The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and—

(a) That investigation or prosecution of that person or matter by a United States Attorney's Office or litigating Division of the Department of Justice would present a conflict of interest for the Department or other extraordinary circumstances; and

(b) That under the circumstances, it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:29 pm to
As I suspected, this has already been litigated with Meuller

LINK

quote:

The first challenge—the one now on appeal to the D.C. Circuit—was brought by Andrew Miller, a potential witness in a Mueller investigation, who refused to comply with a pair of grand jury subpoenas requiring him to provide testimony and documents to the grand jury. Miller argued, among other things, that the subpoenas should be quashed because Mueller was not lawfully appointed. In a very comprehensive opinion on July 31, Chief Judge Beryl Howell denied Miller’s motion to quash.

The other case involves a corporation that a grand jury indicted back in February: Concord Management and Consulting LLC. Concord moved to dismiss the indictment on the ground that Special Counsel Mueller was appointed unlawfully. On August 13, Judge Dabney Friedrich denied that motion. Concord cannot appeal that ruling until after trial.

Likewise, the court’s denial of Miller’s motion to quash the subpoenas in his case is not appealable. Miller, however, continued to refuse to comply with the subpoenas even after Chief Judge Howell denied his motion, and so the Judge held him in contempt. Miller has appealed from that contempt order—and that’s the case the court of appeals will consider on November 8.[4] (Concord has filed an amicus brief in the Miller case.)

Miller’s argument, like Concord’s, is that Rosenstein’s appointment of Mueller violated the Appointments Clause of the Constitution, Art. II, § 2, cl. 2, which reads as follows:

quote:

[The President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.



quote:

First, and most fundamentally, he argues that Special Counsel Mueller is a “principal” officer and therefore could only be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, which was not done here.

Second, Miller argues that even if Special Counsel Mueller is an “inferior” officer, his appointment was nevertheless unconstitutional because Congress has not “by law” vested the Attorney General with the authority to appoint such a Special Counsel.

Third, Miller argues that even if Special Counsel Mueller is an “inferior” officer, and even if Congress authorized the Attorney General to appoint him, the Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein, may not make the appointment because he is not the “Head” of the Department of Justice, even where, as here, he’s exercising the functions of the Office of the Attorney General because the Attorney General himself, Jeff Sessions, is recused from the investigation and is therefore unable to exercise those functions.


Sound familiar?

1 google search and this was found.

I need to become a Patriot grifter.
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:37 pm to
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I need to become a Patriot grifter.


Video yourself reading court briefs, offer opinions and post to YouTube. Probably takes a little work but might be worth it especially is you offer good analysis.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:41 pm to
People want partisan content, not analysis, like the guy in your OP.

Or, on the flip side you could cite Legal Eagle
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

People want partisan content, not analysis, like the guy in your OP.


I appreciate plain old good analysis. The problem is it's almost all partisan.

This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 8:02 pm
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