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re: Trump to Mika: "Let it be an arms race."
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:45 am to Cruiserhog
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:45 am to Cruiserhog
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Trump is a goddamn idiot, and every single day we are witnesses and soon to be victims of his just rampant stupidity.
Melt.
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Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:46 am to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:50 am to AUbused
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Now that I think about it, the overwhelming sentiment on this forum was that HRC was a huge problem because she was ratcheting up tensions with the Russians and noone wanted war with them.
Your premise is false.
No..the overwhelming sentiment wasn't that HRC was a problem because she would ratchet up tensions with Russia...it was that she was a bigly incompetent and erratic, corrupt, lying, greedy, self promoting whore.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:52 am to AUbused
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How to know when a Trumpkins has no argument 101.
You're not very good at this whole "turn the logic around on 'em" thing.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:52 am to HubbaBubba
We are going from a puss to an Alpha.
Libtards: "He is going to get us in a nuclear war!"
Libtards: "He is going to get us in a nuclear war!"
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:54 am to Dale51
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No..the overwhelming sentiment wasn't that HRC was a problem because she would ratchet up tensions with Russia
Bull. fricking. shite.
Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty and has been here for longer than 2 weeks will affirm that HRC was a neocon warmongering whore because she was talking all kinds of shite to Russia. Hell, it was part of my OWN problems with her.
You should stick to asking questions in all your posts Dale.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:58 am to AUbused
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Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty and has been here for longer than 2 weeks will affirm that HRC was a neocon warmongering whore because she was talking all kinds of shite to Russia.
Again...you should read and try to comprehend what you post. Your claim was that HRC/Russia was the overwhelming reason people didn't like her.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:58 am to Big12fan
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Yeah that's what we need - a revived nuclear arms race engineered by 2 egomaniacs.
This is a poker game full of table talk and bluffs. Both Putin and Trump know we would bury them (again) in a arms race that they the russians won't win.
He's setting up the table for future negotiations with China watching. A possible improvement and limited cooperation between russia and the US which would help in dealing with China.
Not stupid at all except to some narrow minded thinking folks. Re setting the fact(after the last 8 years) that we are the only super power may actually help restore our prestige and limit our use of our military all over the world.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:59 am to HubbaBubba
Is there evidence of this off air quote?
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:00 am to HubbaBubba
I hope this is rhetoric to put Russia off balance and not something he is very serious about. He has to be careful not to get on a slippery slope here before he even takes office.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:05 am to AUbused
quote:You are being overly simplistic and making inferences that are not true. As someone that was very late to the Trump train, what scared me most was that Hillary and others were pushing very hard for a no-fly zone over Syria while knowing that the chance of a Russian/U.S. conflict in the air would increase 100 fold under those circumstances, which could lead to a serious military confrontation with Russia. She was the worst candidate to have engaged in negotiations with Russia because Putin hates her and doesn't respect her. It would have steeled his resolve.
Bull. fricking. shite.
Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty and has been here for longer than 2 weeks will affirm that HRC was a neocon warmongering whore because she was talking all kinds of shite to Russia. Hell, it was part of my OWN problems with her.
You should stick to asking questions in all your posts Dale.
In Trump's case, I would rather have him negotiate with Putin, as he has said he would, to create a better relationship, but to do it from a position of strength. At the end of the day, you should remember that Putin is a billionare. He's done it through theft, but he's a billionaire, nonetheless. He wants what is best for Putin, with what's best for Russia coming second. If Trump threatens to bankrupt Russia, that threatens Putin's wealth, too. Putin WILL back the frick down as he knows he will lose everything if he doesn't negotiate with Trump.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:06 am to Dale51
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Now that I think about it, the overwhelming sentiment on this forum was that HRC was a huge problem because she was ratcheting up tensions with the Russians and noone wanted war with them.
The statement that, according to Trumpkins, she was a huge problem BECAUSE she upped tension with Russians does not exclude other criticisms. That would have required the words "only a problem" or some other exclusive qualifier. One would have to be an idiot to imply that people had no other problems with HRC than her foreign policy.
Great attempt at a gotcha though Dale.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:11 am to HubbaBubba
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You are being overly simplistic and making inferences that are not true. As someone that was very late to the Trump train, what scared me most was that Hillary and others were pushing very hard for a no-fly zone over Syria while knowing that the chance of a Russian/U.S. conflict in the air would increase 100 fold under those circumstances, which could lead to a serious military confrontation with Russia. She was the worst candidate to have engaged in negotiations with Russia because Putin hates her and doesn't respect her. It would have steeled his resolve.
This is a fair criticism of HRC and one that I shared in some part but you are also making a whole of of assumptions.
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In Trump's case, I would rather have him negotiate with Putin, as he has said he would, to create a better relationship, but to do it from a position of strength. At the end of the day, you should remember that Putin is a billionare. He's done it through theft, but he's a billionaire, nonetheless. He wants what is best for Putin, with what's best for Russia coming second. If Trump threatens to bankrupt Russia, that threatens Putin's wealth, too. Putin WILL back the frick down as he knows he will lose everything if he doesn't negotiate with Trump.
And protracted proxy wars, sanctions etc arent hurting Putins wealth? Of course they are which is why he fricking hates the democrats. Russia is in a world of hurt right now.
Further, per your first paragraph you don't think "let it be an arms race! We outlast them all" has the potential to "lead to serious military confrontation" with Russia? Or "steel his resolve"? Come on dude.
Not to mention we're talking about more nukes which has generally been agreed as something we should be working towards rolling back if at all possible. In the end, I think this is just Trump following with his inclination to put the world on notice and project overwhelming strength. Be it with China or Russia. It could also be a way to shake off some of the "Trump and Putin are buttjammerz" narratives.
All that being said. Quality post.
This post was edited on 12/23/16 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:26 am to AUbused
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One would have to be an idiot to imply that people had no other problems with HRC than her foreign policy. Great attempt at a gotcha though Dale.
You don't seem very good at this whole "debate" thingie.
Walking back your comment, as you have, shows you find your initial claim to be weak.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:29 am to Dale51
Dale. You are still doing it wrong and embarrassing yourself. Questions Dale. Just ask questions. Then you can feign being smart and continue to feel superior instead of getting your shite pushed in like in this thread.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:33 am to AUbused
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Dale. You are still doing it wrong and embarrassing yourself. Questions Dale. Just ask questions. Then you can feign being smart and continue to feel superior instead of getting your shite pushed in like in this thread.
Now you're just being silly.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:49 am to AlaTiger
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That is NOT what you want. It is bad for business and bad for the development of a stable world.
I agree with you.
But a lot of other people on this board clearly do not.
I have seen so many posts about wanting to "blow up Washington" and just "Blow it all up and start over".
Now I am not so dumb as to think they literally wanted a nuclear explosion.
I do find it odd how many people were rooting for instabiity in the world and in America.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:16 am to HubbaBubba
Let it be an arms race. Nobody will beat us in an arms race, that I can tell you.
Why are people upset by this? You want him to say that "Russia will beat us in an arms race?"
Why are people upset by this? You want him to say that "Russia will beat us in an arms race?"
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:22 am to SDVTiger
Yeah, whatever. I was a Never Trumper, but I didn't want Hillary to win, so I can't say I'm upset that Trump won. I'm not crying any tears, either.
This stuff is like gravity. You can pretend to fly and you can even build a plane to fly in - for awhile. But, eventually what goes up must come down. Gravity is the irrefutable law. Trump isn't changing what can't be changed.
I'm a conservative who actually thinks that there is a way that things work. The goal of foreign policy is to create a stable environment where we can have peace, not to just "win" and dominate everyone with arms races and whatnot. It doesn't last. You can only win for a while. It creates blowback and instability which leads to violence.
Trump doesn't understand the world he just became the leader of, and worse, he has no respect for it. He will.
This stuff is like gravity. You can pretend to fly and you can even build a plane to fly in - for awhile. But, eventually what goes up must come down. Gravity is the irrefutable law. Trump isn't changing what can't be changed.
I'm a conservative who actually thinks that there is a way that things work. The goal of foreign policy is to create a stable environment where we can have peace, not to just "win" and dominate everyone with arms races and whatnot. It doesn't last. You can only win for a while. It creates blowback and instability which leads to violence.
Trump doesn't understand the world he just became the leader of, and worse, he has no respect for it. He will.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 12:50 pm to Dale51
quote:FIFY
How clever. Thin...lacking in substance...desperate, but clever. Well..not actually clever, but an honest effort at attempting to be clever.
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