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Trump tax plan mini review
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:25 pm
quote:
1: Corporate tax rate of 15%
Long overdue change. I would have imagined this coming with stricter capital gains taxes as well though. Overall a big win for American business and American workers, but also a win for the owners of corporations (who are rich people).
2: Allows pass-through rate for business owners
As far as I can tell this is a huge boon for business owners, allowing them to earn income at a super low rate. This also incentives people to have contractor status vs fulltime (and hits benefits accordingly). I'm calling this one mostly regressive and bad.
3: No border-adjustment tax
??? Wasn't he elected to do this? This was always a stupid idea, but it was one of the stupid ideas that was central to his candidacy. I was kind of looking forward to watching him try and do this and fail. I guess it's good for America that we didn't have to suffer through that.
4: Move to three tax brackets
Meh, whatever. Somewhat regressive. Don't think it really 'simplifies' things much either.
5: Doubling of the standard individual tax deduction
Great move, surprisingly progressive. Not sure how much of this is to offset other hits to income at the low end though. I would hope this is net positive.
6: A one-time repatriation tax
Nice to address the distortion that high corporate taxes have created. Not sure if there might be any nock on effects to repatriating so much capital all at once. Shocks tend to have negative byproducts. All that money would have to go somewhere, and that somewhere is probably stocks. Maybe this is Trump's secret plan to juice the stock market.
7: Elimination of the estate tax
Rich people will now be more likely to have rich parents than to have earned their money. Thumbs down.
8: Elimination of itemized tax deductions other than charitable donations and mortgage payments
Thank god i will have finished deducting all my educational expenses by the time this kicks in! Overall this is good, it will get rid of lots of weird incentives, and collect more taxes. The mortgage deduction should have been thrown onto here as well (though we all know that's politically impossible). Still, a big thumbs up for the innovation and initiative on this one.
9: Repeal a 3.8% tax on net investment income
Probably not the most aligned tax, but still another freebie for the rich.
10: Repeal the alternative minimum tax
Woa, huge change if there isn't anything to replace that function. Prepare to go back to the thirties where rich people will pour billions into charity and the arts to avoid paying taxes. AMT was BROKEN, so fixing that was clearly a good move, but there was a function to it in that it forced the rich to pay society through government instead of private charity. I'm kind of ok with that, but a critique of that is more than fair.
11: No infrastructure spending
Good, top down infrastructure is usually a bunch of wasted money.
As seen in a facebook post. Thoughts?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:26 pm to Street Hawk
Solid commentary. I think the response to this is going to be a lot of partisan democratic hacks whining about the evil rich billionaires, but the vast majority of moderates and independents will give a begrudgingly positive review like the one in your post. It is a solid and long overdue tax plan.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:28 pm to Street Hawk
Repealing a new 3.8 percent tax that wasn't there before Obamacare isn't a "freebie" for the rich.
Also...the vast majority of corporations aren't owned by "rich people"
Also...the vast majority of corporations aren't owned by "rich people"
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:29 pm to Street Hawk
quote:
1: Corporate tax rate of 15%
Like
quote:
2: Allows pass-through rate for business owners
As I understood them to say they are CLOSING that loophole.
quote:
4: Move to three tax brackets
Except the first 24K isn't taxed.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:30 pm to Street Hawk
Why am I so horny after reading that review?
Because we just don't stop winning!!!
Because we just don't stop winning!!!
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:30 pm to Street Hawk
quote:Why is the estate tax always framed in a way that presents the receivers as a getting a gift, rather than the givers as being allowed to do what they want with money they earned?
Rich people will now be more likely to have rich parents than to have earned their money. Thumbs down.
Isn't the point of earning money to do what they want with it?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:31 pm to Street Hawk
The first 2 made question the author, the third and fourth sealed it. No clue why people think it's a good idea to demonize millions of job creators. Or do they not realize most "evil business owners" aren't super rich and are their neighbors. So much hateful ignorance makes me sick.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:31 pm to BBONDS25
What a crock! The estate tax is double taxation, plain and simple.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:32 pm to Street Hawk
Going to do a comparison for a low income family making $50,000/yr as a married couple between Obama's existing tax plan and Trump's new proposed tax plan.
Under Obama's existing tax plan:
Standard deduction = $12,600 - leaves $37,400 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$18,550 @ 10% = $18,550 x .10 = $1,855 ($37,400-$18,550 = $18,850)
2. $18,551-$75,300 @ 15% = $18,850 x .15 = $2,828
Total tax paid = $4,683 (about 9.4% overall tax rate)
Under Trump's newly proposed plan (assuming he's using the brackets he proposed originally during his campaign):
Standard deduction = $24,000 - leaves $26,000 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$75,000 @ 10% = $26,000 x .10 = $2,600
Total tax paid = $2,600 (about 5.2% overall tax rate)
That's a big tax cut (-$2,083). Nearly a 45% reduction and around $174/month for a typical low income family making $50k/yr.
=============================================
Now let's look at a middle class family making $150,000/yr as a married couple.
Under Obama's existing tax plan:
Standard deduction = $12,600 - leaves $137,400 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$18,550 @ 10% = $18,550 x .10 = $1,855 ($137,400-$18,550 = $118,850)
2. $18,551-$75,300 @ 15% = $56,749 x .15 = $8,512 ($118,850-$56,749 = $62,101)
3. $75,301-$151,900 @ 25% = $62,101 x .25 = $15,525
Total tax paid = $25,892 (about 17.3% overall tax rate)
Under Trump's newly proposed plan (assuming he's using the brackets he proposed originally during his campaign):
Standard deduction = $24,000 - leaves $126,000 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$75,000 @ 10% = $75,000 x .10 = $7,500 ($126,000-$75,000 = $51,000)
2. $75,001-$225,000 @ 25% = $51,000 x .25 = $12,750
Total tax paid = $20,250 (about 13.5% overall tax rate)
That's a pretty significant tax cut (-$5,642). Nearly a 22% reduction and around $470/month for a typical middle class family making $150k/yr.
=============================================
Now let's look at a family making $500,000/yr as a married couple.
Under Obama's existing tax plan:
Standard deduction = $12,600 - leaves $487,400 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$18,550 @ 10% = $18,550 x .10 = $1,855 ($487,400-$18,550 = $468,850)
2. $18,551-$75,300 @ 15% = $56,749 x .15 = $8,512 ($468,850-$56,749 = $412,101)
3. $75,301-$151,900 @ 25% = $76,599 x .25 = $19,150 ($412,101-$76,599 = $335,502)
4. $151,901-$231,450 @ 28% = $79,549 x .28 = $22,274 ($335,502-$79,549 = $255,953)
5. $231,451-$413,350 @ 33% = $181,899 x .33 = $60,027 ($255,953-$181,899 = $74,054)
6. $413,351-$466,950 @ 35% = $53,599 x .35 = $18,760 ($74,054-$53,599 = $20,455)
7. $466,951+ @ 39.6% = $20,455 x .396 = $8,100
Total tax paid = $138,678 (about 27.7% overall tax rate)
Under Trump's newly proposed plan (assuming he's using the brackets he proposed originally during his campaign):
Standard deduction = $24,000 - leaves $476,000 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$75,000 @ 10% = $75,000 x .10 = $7,500 ($476,000-$75,000 = $401,000)
2. $75,001-$225,000 @ 25% = $149,999 x .25 = $37,500 ($401,000-$149,999 = $251,001)
3. $225,001+ @ 35% = $251,001 x .35 = $87,850
Total tax paid = $132,850 (about 26.6% overall tax rate)
That's a pretty minor tax cut (-$5,828). About 4% reduction in taxes paid and an overall 1.1% difference between the two plans for the wealthy.
But of course the Left will spin this to make it sound like the lower and middle class are getting tax hikes while the wealthy are getting tax cuts. Just watch.
Under Obama's existing tax plan:
Standard deduction = $12,600 - leaves $37,400 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$18,550 @ 10% = $18,550 x .10 = $1,855 ($37,400-$18,550 = $18,850)
2. $18,551-$75,300 @ 15% = $18,850 x .15 = $2,828
Total tax paid = $4,683 (about 9.4% overall tax rate)
Under Trump's newly proposed plan (assuming he's using the brackets he proposed originally during his campaign):
Standard deduction = $24,000 - leaves $26,000 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$75,000 @ 10% = $26,000 x .10 = $2,600
Total tax paid = $2,600 (about 5.2% overall tax rate)
That's a big tax cut (-$2,083). Nearly a 45% reduction and around $174/month for a typical low income family making $50k/yr.
=============================================
Now let's look at a middle class family making $150,000/yr as a married couple.
Under Obama's existing tax plan:
Standard deduction = $12,600 - leaves $137,400 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$18,550 @ 10% = $18,550 x .10 = $1,855 ($137,400-$18,550 = $118,850)
2. $18,551-$75,300 @ 15% = $56,749 x .15 = $8,512 ($118,850-$56,749 = $62,101)
3. $75,301-$151,900 @ 25% = $62,101 x .25 = $15,525
Total tax paid = $25,892 (about 17.3% overall tax rate)
Under Trump's newly proposed plan (assuming he's using the brackets he proposed originally during his campaign):
Standard deduction = $24,000 - leaves $126,000 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$75,000 @ 10% = $75,000 x .10 = $7,500 ($126,000-$75,000 = $51,000)
2. $75,001-$225,000 @ 25% = $51,000 x .25 = $12,750
Total tax paid = $20,250 (about 13.5% overall tax rate)
That's a pretty significant tax cut (-$5,642). Nearly a 22% reduction and around $470/month for a typical middle class family making $150k/yr.
=============================================
Now let's look at a family making $500,000/yr as a married couple.
Under Obama's existing tax plan:
Standard deduction = $12,600 - leaves $487,400 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$18,550 @ 10% = $18,550 x .10 = $1,855 ($487,400-$18,550 = $468,850)
2. $18,551-$75,300 @ 15% = $56,749 x .15 = $8,512 ($468,850-$56,749 = $412,101)
3. $75,301-$151,900 @ 25% = $76,599 x .25 = $19,150 ($412,101-$76,599 = $335,502)
4. $151,901-$231,450 @ 28% = $79,549 x .28 = $22,274 ($335,502-$79,549 = $255,953)
5. $231,451-$413,350 @ 33% = $181,899 x .33 = $60,027 ($255,953-$181,899 = $74,054)
6. $413,351-$466,950 @ 35% = $53,599 x .35 = $18,760 ($74,054-$53,599 = $20,455)
7. $466,951+ @ 39.6% = $20,455 x .396 = $8,100
Total tax paid = $138,678 (about 27.7% overall tax rate)
Under Trump's newly proposed plan (assuming he's using the brackets he proposed originally during his campaign):
Standard deduction = $24,000 - leaves $476,000 taxed (progressively)
1. $0-$75,000 @ 10% = $75,000 x .10 = $7,500 ($476,000-$75,000 = $401,000)
2. $75,001-$225,000 @ 25% = $149,999 x .25 = $37,500 ($401,000-$149,999 = $251,001)
3. $225,001+ @ 35% = $251,001 x .35 = $87,850
Total tax paid = $132,850 (about 26.6% overall tax rate)
That's a pretty minor tax cut (-$5,828). About 4% reduction in taxes paid and an overall 1.1% difference between the two plans for the wealthy.
But of course the Left will spin this to make it sound like the lower and middle class are getting tax hikes while the wealthy are getting tax cuts. Just watch.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:32 pm to Street Hawk
quote:whoever wrote this knows absolutely nothing about pass through entities. 85% of businesses are pass throughs such as partnerships, S-Corps and LLCs. Reducing the tax rate on them is fricking awesome for job creation and wage increases for the middle class.
2: Allows pass-through rate for business owners
As far as I can tell this is a huge boon for business owners, allowing them to earn income at a super low rate. This also incentives people to have contractor status vs fulltime (and hits benefits accordingly). I'm calling this one mostly regressive and bad.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As a tax attorney. Getting rid of the estate tax would hurt me more than it would ever hurt those who are subject to it. That being said... I find it offensive dying is a taxable event.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:34 pm to JakeRStephenes
quote:
Or do they not realize most "evil business owners" aren't super rich and are their neighbors. So much hateful ignorance makes me sick.
Amen to that.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:34 pm to Street Hawk
quote:
10: Repeal the alternative minimum tax
Woa, huge change if there isn't anything to replace that function. Prepare to go back to the thirties where rich people will pour billions into charity and the arts to avoid paying taxes. AMT was BROKEN, so fixing that was clearly a good move, but there was a function to it in that it forced the rich to pay society through government instead of private charity. I'm kind of ok with that, but a critique of that is more than fair.
Good.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:36 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
I find it offensive dying is a taxable event.
It's a moral obscenity that you have to pay the government to die. Don't people feel dirty saying "sorry for your loss but you have to pay up here because he's dead", how could you not feel empathy for that?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:37 pm to Street Hawk
quote:
rich pouring billions into charity and the arts
How is this a bad thing?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:38 pm to ChexMix
quote:
whoever wrote this knows absolutely nothing about pass through entities. 85% of businesses are pass throughs such as partnerships, S-Corps and LLCs. Reducing the tax rate on them is fricking awesome for job creation and wage increases for the middle class.
If this were put in place, I could increase my employee count by 50%.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:43 pm to Street Hawk
quote:Narrow minded way of looking at things.
7: Elimination of the estate tax
Rich people will now be more likely to have rich parents than to have earned their money. Thumbs down.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:47 pm to Street Hawk
quote:I find it funny that you have zero clue about this issue. None. You dont even know what the ACA net investment tax even applies to, let alone know the income threshold before it is even applied.
9: Repeal a 3.8% tax on net investment income
Probably not the most aligned tax, but still another freebie for the rich.
Removing this tax will create jobs and increase wages for the middle class.
In fact, every tax cut for businesses will create jobs and increase wages for the middle class.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:money that's already been taxed
Why is the estate tax always framed in a way that presents the receivers as a getting a gift, rather than the givers as being allowed to do what they want with money they earned?
Isn't the point of earning money to do what they want with it?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:00 pm to Street Hawk
quote:
11: No infrastructure spending
Good, top down infrastructure is usually a bunch of wasted money.
Not true at all. The Eisenhower infrastructure bill was the linchpin for John Deere to launch its construction equipment line in 1959. Today it's one of the biggest globally. A good bill could mean a whole lot for the industry.
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