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Today in history: The Goliad Massacre
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:03 pm
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:04 pm to Zach
Obama would be quick to remind you of the Crusades
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:05 pm to Zach
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Ironically, rather than serving to crush the Texas rebellion, the Goliad Massacre helped inspire and unify the Texans.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:10 pm to Zach
Warning for today!
Look what happened to the Mexican province of Texas with unvetted, uncontrolled, illegal aliens pouring over their unprotected border!
Just saying.
Look what happened to the Mexican province of Texas with unvetted, uncontrolled, illegal aliens pouring over their unprotected border!
Just saying.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:22 pm to Zach
As a resident of Texico, I highly recommend anyone to go visit the ruins and fortresses there. They are very cool.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:23 pm to idlewatcher
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As a resident of Texico, I highly recommend anyone to go visit the ruins and fortresses there. They are very cool.
Also the home of Bum Phillips (RIP).
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:29 pm to idlewatcher
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As a resident of Texico, I highly recommend anyone to go visit the ruins and fortresses there. They are very cool.
Grew up round there and went to school in Goliad through 5th grade. Gotta stop at LaBahia also.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:30 pm to idlewatcher
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:32 pm to idlewatcher
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:26 pm to Zach
Texas history and Louisiana history both are very interesting and fun to learn.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:30 pm to Gaspergou202
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Warning for today!
Look what happened to the Mexican province of Texas with unvetted, uncontrolled, illegal aliens pouring over their unprotected border!
Just saying.
precisely
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:35 pm to Zach
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Today in history: The Goliad Massacre
Three weeks after the fall of The Alamo.
Therefore, John Wayne's plot device of the brave men of The Alamo awaiting relief from Fannin, only to find out that Fannin's men had been ambushed and massacred was just that...a plot device.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:51 pm to Zach
The Texian commander Fannin, was inept, to be generous.
'Unbeknownst to the Texians, Colonel James Fannin had finally decided to ride to their relief.[83] Historian Robert Scott suggests that the trip was initiated after Fannin's objections were overridden by his officers.[84] On the morning of February 26, he set out with 320 men, 4 cannon, and several supply wagons for the 90 miles (140 km) march from Goliad to the Alamo.[83] The Goliad garrison had no horses to move the wagons and artillery and were forced to rely on oxen.[64] Barely 200 yards (180 m) into their journey, one of the wagons broke down, and the expedition stopped for repairs.[83] The group then took six hours to cross the waist-deep water of the San Antonio River. By the time they reached the other side it was dark, and the men camped along the river. The cold front reached Goliad that evening, and the poorly-dressed soldiers were "quickly chilled and miserable" in the driving rain.[85] On awakening, Fannin realized that all of the Texian oxen had wandered off, and that his men had neglected to pack food for the journey.[86] It took most of the day for the men to round up the oxen; after two days of travel, Fannin's men had not even ventured 1 mile (1.6 km) from their fort.[87] In a letter to Acting Governor James Robinson, Fannin said that his officers approached him to ask that the rescue trip be cancelled, as they had received word that General Urrea's army was marching towards Goliad.[85] The officers and men in the expedition claimed that Fannin decided on his own to abort the mission. Several of the men agreed with the decision, with Dr. Barnard writing in his journal, "With but three or four hundred men, mostly on foot, with but a limited supply of provisions, to march a distance of nearly one-hundred miles through uninhabited country for the purpose of relieving a fortress beleaguered by five-thousand men was madness!"[88]
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'Unbeknownst to the Texians, Colonel James Fannin had finally decided to ride to their relief.[83] Historian Robert Scott suggests that the trip was initiated after Fannin's objections were overridden by his officers.[84] On the morning of February 26, he set out with 320 men, 4 cannon, and several supply wagons for the 90 miles (140 km) march from Goliad to the Alamo.[83] The Goliad garrison had no horses to move the wagons and artillery and were forced to rely on oxen.[64] Barely 200 yards (180 m) into their journey, one of the wagons broke down, and the expedition stopped for repairs.[83] The group then took six hours to cross the waist-deep water of the San Antonio River. By the time they reached the other side it was dark, and the men camped along the river. The cold front reached Goliad that evening, and the poorly-dressed soldiers were "quickly chilled and miserable" in the driving rain.[85] On awakening, Fannin realized that all of the Texian oxen had wandered off, and that his men had neglected to pack food for the journey.[86] It took most of the day for the men to round up the oxen; after two days of travel, Fannin's men had not even ventured 1 mile (1.6 km) from their fort.[87] In a letter to Acting Governor James Robinson, Fannin said that his officers approached him to ask that the rescue trip be cancelled, as they had received word that General Urrea's army was marching towards Goliad.[85] The officers and men in the expedition claimed that Fannin decided on his own to abort the mission. Several of the men agreed with the decision, with Dr. Barnard writing in his journal, "With but three or four hundred men, mostly on foot, with but a limited supply of provisions, to march a distance of nearly one-hundred miles through uninhabited country for the purpose of relieving a fortress beleaguered by five-thousand men was madness!"[88]
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:55 pm to Godfather1
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Therefore, John Wayne's plot device of the brave men of The Alamo awaiting relief from Fannin, only to find out that Fannin's men had been ambushed and massacred was just that...a plot device.
The 'Wayneamo' is almost complete fiction. In the 'Wayneamo', Houston tells Travis to buy him time by holding the Alamo. Houston told him just the opposite - do not become engaged in this area. However, the president of Texas may have given Travis different instructions.
And of course the assault on the Alamo was commenced before dawn, not in daylight as in the 'Wayneamo.'
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:56 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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The 'Wayneamo' is almost complete fiction. In the 'Wayneamo', Houston tells Travis to buy him time by holding the Alamo. Houston told him just the opposite - do not become engaged in this area. However, the president of Texas may have given Travis different instructions.
And of course the assault on the Alamo was commenced before dawn, not in daylight as in the 'Wayneamo.'
Yeah, but it's still great entertainment.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:57 pm to dafuqusay
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Grew up round there and went to school in Goliad through 5th grade. Gotta stop at LaBahia also.
Small world. I have family in Port Lavaca and some in Corpus.
We used to go hunting over there (well my family did while I was a beta and just watched) so we were able to go through and see all of the ruins. The old cannons etc. Was a very enlightening experience; particularly considering I'm an Alamo history nut.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:07 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Shreveport downtown streets are named after heroes of the Alamo...Crocket, Fannin, Bowie, Travis. Shreveport (and Caddo Parish) also petitioned to leave La. and become a part of Texas in the 1850s. The move was sidetracked by the Civil War and was never taken up again.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:07 pm to Zach
Something wrong with this story Zack. Texas became a state in 1845.
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In November 1853, Texan leaders proclaimed their resistance to Santa Anna’s dictatorship, though they stopped short of calling for independence.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:08 pm to Big12fan
Weren't they a territory before being a state?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:22 pm to Godfather1
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The 'Wayneamo' is almost complete fiction. In the 'Wayneamo', Houston tells Travis to buy him time by holding the Alamo. Houston told him just the opposite - do not become engaged in this area. However, the president of Texas may have given Travis different instructions. And of course the assault on the Alamo was commenced before dawn, not in daylight as in the 'Wayneamo.'
Yeah, but it's still great entertainment.
One of my favorites. But it was a commercial failure and for John Wayne Personally also.
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