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re: Tin Foil Hat time: two Navy vessels colliding within a few months

Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:19 am to
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:19 am to
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The answer is woman boat drivers


Lol no argument from me
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 9:20 am
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:20 am to
With all of the safeguards in place as described here by Navy personnel, it has to be at least considered a possibility.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:22 am to
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I am entertained.


Simple minded folks usually are. Congrats.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:22 am to
Which steamship lines were involved?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:24 am to
Lsuchs thread on capabilities and duties aboard ship. Hard to hack binoculars.

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Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
147400 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:33 am to
U.S. Navy, citing poor seamanship, removes commanders of warship in deadly crash
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The John S. McCain, an American guided-missile destroyer, with a hole in its rear left side, in waters off Singapore on Monday. Credit Ahmad Masood/Reuters

First, Admiral Richardson said, he ordered an “operational pause” for Navy fleet commanders to review teamwork, safety, seamanship and other “fundamentals” aboard all 277 Navy vessels. Commanders will space out the review to avoid hampering operations, like the war games in South Korea that started on Monday.

Second, the admiral said, he ordered a broader, monthslong review to examine the specific problems with the Navy’s Seventh Fleet, based in Japan, as the Navy has suffered four major ship accidents in the western Pacific since February.

“That gives great cause for concern that there’s something out there that we’re not getting at,” Admiral Richardson told reporters at the Pentagon during a brief news conference.
the other Naval ship that collided was with a Philippine freighter. I think the McCain hit an oil tanker, origin unknown at this time?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:46 am to
USS Fitzgerald careers that are over

CDR Bryce Benson


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CDR Sean Babbitt XO


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Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin


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Several other junior officers have also been relieved, with administrative action taken against other members of the ship's watch teams.

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This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 9:50 am
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:47 am to
The Navy is quick to drop the hammer.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:48 am to
Probably white supremacists dirty work
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67508 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:50 am to
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The Navy is quick to drop the hammer

As it should be; the Fed needs to adopt this
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25491 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:53 am to
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Is there any way that they could be the result of cyber attacks, i.e. hostile actors gaining control of the Navy ship's navigation system or that of the foreign vessel?


I would think it far more likely that these were deliberate attacks by the "merchant" vessels. Instead of cars driving into crowds, you have ships ramming ships who are not allowed to fire on them under the RUE and Navy is keeping it under wraps to downplay the threat.

However, I think it's far more likely than that that we just have some tards at the helm.
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:54 am to
I've been out of the Navy for 17 years, but don't the ships still have INS and Gyro for navigating?

If not the certinanly still have them for backup. If I recall INS only needed GPS for initial calibration, and the gyro didn't need it at all.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:00 am to
My question would be why the Navy dropped the hammer on officers and crew if they knew there was a cyber intrusion and the crew wasn't at fault?

ETA: posted before reading entire thread.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 10:01 am
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43396 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:00 am to
I highly doubt it was hacking of the Navy ship. Prior to my move to cybersecurity, I dealt mostly with satcom and I'm very familiar with the Navy's systems they use to pass data. I just don't see it happening even by a top APT.

Now a hack of a merchant vessel? Sure.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
147400 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:04 am to
I posted their bios because many years of sacrifice went into their careers, their wives and families as well. Even tho it's SOP for the CO and XO to take blame, I am wondering if their careers will ever be reinstated if foul play is discovered with them and the McCain. Or... if someone was really asleep on watch. There has to be many inept and asleep for such a thing to happen. It makes no sense.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99201 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:07 am to
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This has to be sabotage. From within: a) possibly a terrorist/enemy infiltrated the US Military? (SEE the Fort Hoood shooter) Or, b) somehow a GPS hack from the outside. Like someone said properly in another thread: they will never admit it in public; but heads will roll and be fired as SOP-- and that is a shame to ruin long military careers over this...


But, this doesn't explain a lack of eyes and proper response by the crews of these vessels.

By all indications, these vessels were detected on radar, but were allowed to get too close with no reaction.

While "tricking" the machines would explain inaction by the crewmembers at the displays, it does not explain why the watchmen didn't alert the bridge.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64752 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:07 am to
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Crypto is the Navy's thing, they are really good at it.


slight chuckle.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64752 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:08 am to
They were drugged also?

Is this part of the Cuban thing going on?
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 10:09 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
147400 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:14 am to
In the case of the Fitzgerald, it was reported that the Phillipine freighter flashed lights to the USS ship as typical warning beforehand and the signals went ignored and they crashed. It claimed the freighter had right of way. If the freighter saw them why didn't they attempt to change course? What is the lag time of a commercial freighter changing course?
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67508 posts
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:17 am to
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It claimed the freighter had right of way. If the freighter saw them why didn't they attempt to change course? What is the lag time of a commercial freighter changing course?

Sometimes you shouldn't play chicken
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