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Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:43 pm to BobABooey
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But iPhones are the most expensive phones, right? Generally speaking.
I don't know, I still use a land line.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:46 pm to Jjdoc
Vocational skills eh?
You mean like soldering or snapping pieces together?
You mean like soldering or snapping pieces together?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:47 pm to Hawkeye95
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The labor costs are just the tip of it, they have very few environmental regulations, or labor laws.
Apple didn't move to china for vocational skills, they moved to china to save $$ and hassle. apple started manufacturing in asia in the 1980s!
This. "Skilled" American workers ain't the problem. We've always had them. They are expensive and we actually care (to varying degrees) about environmental issues and government regulations.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
All of this excitement over Apple is a bit ridiculous. They're not moving their manufacturing to the US. They MAY move their assembly here, but that is small potatoes, albeit better than nothing.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:49 pm to Jjdoc
Tell is about the suicide nets at the Chinese factories tim.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:49 pm to Jjdoc
Chinese kids test into high school. If they don't pass test they go into vocational training.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 12:50 pm to Jjdoc
This is ridiculous don't most of these workers come from rural areas with no manufacturing experience?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:23 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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He's not wrong. That's just not the main reason they use China
Don't underestimate it.
Cost isn't everything. If it were, they'd build in Kenya.
You need people that can do the job well too.
As he points out, not only are Chinese workers cheaper, they are apparently better trained out of the gates to do the job.
Meanwhile, Americans think they deserve a higher wage just because they breath American air.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I don't know, I still use a land line.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:29 pm to ShortyRob
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I don't know, I still use a land line.
I hear ya brother...anyone who pays $700 for a telephone is an idiot
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:52 pm to Jjdoc
Ok apple, put some of those billions to work and train some people to make them. Invest back in the country that made you one of the richest companies in the world.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:55 pm to Jjdoc
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“Let me be clear, China put an enormous focus on manufacturing, in what you and I would call vocational kind of skills,” he said. Cook blamed America for Apple’s need to move production offshore: “The U.S., over time, began to stop having as many vocational kind of skills.”
They stopped having them because everyone started moving manufacturing out of country to do the job for less or without any regulations. NAFTA gutted the manufacturing base (I do realize that doesn't include China but our manufacturing still left with it).
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:56 pm to Jjdoc
quote:communist slave labor
what you and I would call vocational kind of skills,
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:58 pm to Jjdoc
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“Let me be clear, China put an enormous focus on manufacturing, in what you and I would call vocational kind of skills,” he said. Cook blamed America for Apple’s need to move production offshore: “The U.S., over time, began to stop having as many vocational kind of skills.”
He's right. All schools do is prepare people for further schooling and careers in paper pushing and desk jockeying.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:00 pm to Old Sarge
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Yep, many millennials don't want factory jobs for a fair wage, they believe they all deserve things they haven't earned
That's because our government has been telling every they need to go to college or face a life of scorn and poverty. Then they subsidized it, driving the price through the roof, then guaranteed the loans, creating a massive bubble of college "educated" kids who don't have marketable skills and can't afford the jobs available for the skills they do have.
That is just one reason why apple can't make shite in the USA. Wage and hour laws, mandatory benefits such as the ue AHA mandates, laws that protect union membership, enforcing employee "rights" (which aren't rights at all) while ignoring employers rights, maternity/paternity laws, insane workplace regulations, corporate taxes... The list goes on and on and on and on.
Unless someone gets rid of this shite, we won't see a new era of manufacturing without state operated means of production ie socialism. It's too expensive and too risky to produce in the US these days. Thanks government.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:04 pm to Jjdoc
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Tim Cook on Apple manufacturing in the US
Timmy trying to earn himself a coat?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:04 pm to Port Royal
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I hear ya brother...anyone who pays $700 for a telephone is an idiot
I buy mine refurbished for half that. It's used as a "telephone" about 1% of the time. My productivity is much higher now that I can bank, email, document, and trade anywhere I go.
It might be insane to buy one for a 9 year old, but that depends on one's financial situation more than anything.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:09 pm to Jjdoc
It's like there isn't an vast region where manufacturing plants and jobs have just disappeared. We have no infrastructure to support manufacturing at all...
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:14 pm to Jjdoc
Tim Cook is full of it! Cheaper wages, less regulations and cheaper wages are the reasons that Apple doesn't manufacture their products in the US.
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