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re: This myth that Republicans in Congress would work with Obama
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Well #1 he signed off on the sequester
He basically had to, it was part of a deal they had made. He did it grudgingly, trying to scare the American people in the process.
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I've heard this on here before. In 2008 and 2012.
most of those polls asked people if they supported background checks, which gained a ton of support
...and background checks already exist
people, including many libs on this board, didn't even know what the fricking "gun show loophole" was
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:29 pm to Tim
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He basically had to, it was part of a deal they had made. He did it grudgingly, trying to scare the American people in the process.
So it doesn't count?
I knew there would be a "yeah, but"
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
how in god's green earth was the sequester "unilateral"?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I agree, but I don't know how many other people will.
This myth that Republicans in Congress would work with Obama if he used a different "tone" or whatever Paul Ryan or some other conservatives claim is complete bullshite.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So the congressmen were elected but Obama is a king?
He acts like it.
He has contempt for anyone that disagrees with him.
He has no "give" so why do you and your ilk want the Republicans to have "give?"
He's a sociopathic, egomaniacal ideologue and he should be fought tooth and nail.
That's my opinion.
What can't be defended is your stance that Obama is someone that can compromise. He can't. Please stop being delusional.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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trust me i understand them a lot better than you do
You're the only one who believes this. This thread alone says you are full of shite.
What do you think the opposition is supposed to do? You would go apeshit if we had a European style parliament where coalitions are virtually bound to hold the line.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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He would never have done it on his own had he not agreed to the original deal. How can it count? Had there not been a deal, it would never have existed.
quote:
o it doesn't count?
He would never have done it on his own had he not agreed to the original deal. How can it count? Had there not been a deal, it would never have existed.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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...and background checks already exist
On paper but not always in practice. Also IIRC there was a restructuring of the mental health language in the bill, which was really the main point of it all. Like so many other gun laws that are on the books but aren't enforced due to the NRA's lobbying efforts to gut the ATF? Why would they want to do that you ask? Well because gun makers contribute heavily to the NRA, gun makers who want to keep putting as much of their product on the streets as they possibly can, social consequences be damned.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:33 pm to Scoop
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What can't be defended is your stance that Obama is someone that can compromise. He can't. Please stop being delusional.
Libs don't want him to.
They basically use the excuse "he had to" when there's any kind of compromise.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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gun makers who want to keep putting as much of their product on the streets as they possibly can, social consequences be damned.
YOU BASTARDS!!!!
DAMN YOU!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:34 pm to Scoop
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He acts like it.
He doesn't at all. I can see you're blinded by your hatred of him though, which is fine. I don't like him much either (outside of social issues) but some the far right wing rhetoric on him is just stupid.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I would be the first to say that Obama could have and should have done things differently (if he did have any any interest in actually accomplishing even half of his stated 2008 agenda)
He wanted to transform this country. He needed to be resisted at every turn.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Poll numbers tell you what the American people think and want.
AKA democracy which is a scourge on this country.
This country is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic where the majority are not allowed to run roughshod all over the minority and suppress their rights.
Tea partiers and libertarians want less gov't, Obama has shown nothing indicating he supports that and you call them obstructionists?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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YOU BASTARDS!!!!
DAMN YOU!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!
there's an interesting section in freakonomics that talks about that in detail.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:36 pm to Sentrius
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and you call them obstructionists?
They're not getting their way...
Usually when you hear that term. Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:36 pm to Sentrius
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AKA democracy which is a scourge on this country.
This country is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic where the majority are not allowed to run roughshod all over the minority and suppress their rights.
i will give your credit for being open and honest. I think you're batshit insane but at least you aren't a liar or a hypocrite
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Democrats had a chance with expanded background checks but they ruined it whining about assault weapons IMO.
Well if over 80% of Americans supported it, and the congressmen were just going by what their constituents wanted, then why didn't it get [assed?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
i'm not claiming causation. i'm curious what societal consequences you're referring to, when violent crime keeps falling
violent crime rates certainly CAN'T have a positive correlation to the number of guns in circulation. if there is a link, it's the opposite
violent crime rates certainly CAN'T have a positive correlation to the number of guns in circulation. if there is a link, it's the opposite
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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i will give your credit for being open and honest. I think you're batshit insane but at least you aren't a liar or a hypocrite
wait
you support pure democracy?
do you even federalist papers, bro?
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