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re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:47 pm to FT
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:47 pm to FT
quote:That my friend is the tack Obama, Rice, & Co. should have taken.
Still going to reserve judgment. If it's stupid, I can say so later without hurting anything.
They didn't.
It's inexplicable, but at the least it was an unnecessary risk. Just call bergdahl a soldier, not a hero. Then let the chips fall where they may.
Unnecessary risks are stupid . . . any way you cut it.
That's why the "bergdahl hero" meme was stupid.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 1:48 pm
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:51 pm to NC_Tigah
I can go with that. I don't understand calling anyone in the military a hero unless they do something truly heroic or outside of the norm.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:53 pm to NC_Tigah
Rice didn't call him a hero, did she? I didn't see that. I see she said he served honorably and with distinction. When he served, maybe he did. If he hasn't been convicted of desertion, do you think she should not have praised his service? Has anybody said he was a frick up before e deserted? I feel like this thing is still moving. Too early to make some of the judgments people are making already.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:05 pm to baybeefeetz
Obama hates the US military. His administration has labeled American veterans as potential terrorists. His treatment of them has been disgusting.
I think he is trying to incite groups of veterans to violent actions against the federal government.
I think he is trying to incite groups of veterans to violent actions against the federal government.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:05 pm to EST
Full retard = achieved
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:05 pm to CptBengal
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This deserter was never listed as a POW.
We'll that is basically the point I guess. The Taliban can label this guy as a deserter, someone not engaged in active combat etc. By all accounts, a disillusioned soldier.
As the War ends, the Taliban could be expecting all of their detainees (people not charged with War crimes) back home. They could argue ( as you asserted) that Berghdahl is not a POW...here is the proof: he had no combat unis, no gun, just trying to blend in.
I think if that story had progressed THAT way, he would have never stepped on US soil again
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:14 pm to Lakeboy7
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Watch GPS (Fareed Zakaria sp?)from last Sunday. There is actually some optimism with the new government coming in that Afghanistan wont devolve into an even bigger wasteland. The Taliban have moderated a bit lately so there is some hope. We also need a signature on our Status of Forces Agreement.
*If the 5 assholes take the field again they will be droned in short order.
God, I hope Obama didn't fall for that "moderate Taliban" bullshite.
The only way this thing can be salvagable is if we can track the five whenever and wherever they go.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:25 pm to boosiebadazz
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God, I hope Obama didn't fall for that "moderate Taliban" bullshite.
Once we're gone, any viable central government will have to garner some support from the Taliban and their backers. That's reality.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:26 pm to Navytiger74
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the Taliban and their backers.
want to be the central govnerment.
They're playing moderate to get the Americans out of the country.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:29 pm to baybeefeetz
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I see she said he served honorably and with distinction.
Why did she say that? Why, with all of the coaching that these people have before speaking publicly would she be given the OK to say this?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:30 pm to Mo Jeaux
Does it really matter?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:32 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
Does it really matter?
In trying to figure out what the admin's angle on this is, yes, I believe it does.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:48 pm to Navytiger74
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Once we're gone, any viable central government will have to garner some support from the Taliban and their backers. That's reality.
Yep
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:17 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:I thought she did. Perhaps she only said he "served the United States with honor and distinction" though.
Rice didn't call him a hero, did she?
quote:
President Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, said on ABC that Bowe Bergdahl "served the United States with honor and distinction"
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Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, told CBSDC that the administration tried to sell this “great story” of praising Bergdahl as a hero.
“It didn’t take long for this PR push to falter. His fellow soldiers describe Bergdahl as a deserter
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:03 pm to Mo Jeaux
False!
Personally I believe this whole debacle is driven by Barack Obama alone. Regarding BHO's Presidency this guy is in way over his head. However, he's still the President. No doubt about it, he sets the direction of administration policy, and being the narcassistic, self-absorbed former pot smoking product of affirmative action [and son of a radical anticolonialist] IMO his actions border on the dellusional. He is fond of giving speeches on policy that are totally disconnected from reality. Ask the Cadets at West Point what they think of his policy speeches? His speeches are big on theory and theatrics but painfully short on substance. Our allies have come to realize he is unreliable and pathetic and our enemies know they can manipulate him. Obama likes to lead from behind, then wait for someone to invite him to the front, where he promptly bows to other world leaders, preferably those who threaten his comfort zone [or takes a selfie with a pretty blond PM].
I would argue the embarrassing and painful revelations associated with this 5 for 1 swap clearly reveals classic obama modus operandi. All of this sad debacle [including the death of at least six brave men] is the fault of one man.....Barack Hussein Obama. Obama....you can hide but you can't run....this mess is yours. No George Bush to hide behind buddy.....it's yours.
Bottom line....the world is a dangerous place, and it just got more dangerous because of the amateurish actions of this President. Think about it...we just traded an Army disserter [evidence indicates he collaborated with the enemy] for five top Taliban High Profile Terrorist.
There is dancing and singing in the mountains of Afghanistan.
Personally I believe this whole debacle is driven by Barack Obama alone. Regarding BHO's Presidency this guy is in way over his head. However, he's still the President. No doubt about it, he sets the direction of administration policy, and being the narcassistic, self-absorbed former pot smoking product of affirmative action [and son of a radical anticolonialist] IMO his actions border on the dellusional. He is fond of giving speeches on policy that are totally disconnected from reality. Ask the Cadets at West Point what they think of his policy speeches? His speeches are big on theory and theatrics but painfully short on substance. Our allies have come to realize he is unreliable and pathetic and our enemies know they can manipulate him. Obama likes to lead from behind, then wait for someone to invite him to the front, where he promptly bows to other world leaders, preferably those who threaten his comfort zone [or takes a selfie with a pretty blond PM].
I would argue the embarrassing and painful revelations associated with this 5 for 1 swap clearly reveals classic obama modus operandi. All of this sad debacle [including the death of at least six brave men] is the fault of one man.....Barack Hussein Obama. Obama....you can hide but you can't run....this mess is yours. No George Bush to hide behind buddy.....it's yours.
Bottom line....the world is a dangerous place, and it just got more dangerous because of the amateurish actions of this President. Think about it...we just traded an Army disserter [evidence indicates he collaborated with the enemy] for five top Taliban High Profile Terrorist.
There is dancing and singing in the mountains of Afghanistan.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:40 pm to HarveyDent
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The Taliban can label this guy as a deserter
The taliban doesn't get to make this designation. Only the army can declare him a deserter.
Further, the five enemy combatants you seem to believe HAD to be released were not POW's themselves. This is not a conventional war and the so called rules you're citing are not applicable.
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