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re: This administration handed over Iraq to extremists.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:02 am to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:02 am to Bestbank Tiger
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but what were we supposed to do?
Play to win instead of playing to placate. As long as we wage politically correct wars we will always be lacking in a true objective for ourselves and for other countries that we decide to come to their aid.
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:05 am to Big12fan
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f Obama had a "do-over" in his dealings with Maliki, he should have had someone put a bullet in the back of his head.
Maliki's government is a failure. Why should the US have put more US lives in danger by this incompetent, sectarian fool? Maliki was chosen by the Bush administration. His leadership has been a disaster. What is happening now in Iraq is a direct result of Maliki's absolute incompetence and his failure to try to unite the Iraqi people.
The US has spent 17 billion in training & equipping the Iraqi army. WTF is the problem with these people? Was that not sufficient support?
I completely understand this. That doesnt change the realities of what is transpiring in Iraq.
I really dont care which way people lean politically, its just sad and its fricking bad for the security of this country moving forward.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:08 am to SpidermanTUba
The blatant attempts to exonerate Bush from a mess of his own making are quite sad.
We were never in Iraq to defend America, which means we couldn't stay there forever, and it's not Obama's fault if people like kilo feel their service was in vain.
We were never in Iraq to defend America, which means we couldn't stay there forever, and it's not Obama's fault if people like kilo feel their service was in vain.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 9:09 am
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:11 am to Rex
iraq was a mistake
afghanistan was more of a learning process
both have long-term value, which is: stay the frick out of that region except to defend our own stable allies
let the savages murder themselves in their religious warfare that is thousands of years old
afghanistan was more of a learning process
both have long-term value, which is: stay the frick out of that region except to defend our own stable allies
let the savages murder themselves in their religious warfare that is thousands of years old
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:12 am to kilo
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I served, 30 months over two tours in combat arms; both in Iraq. I would like to say that one thing was very, very clear during that time. While we may not have been fighting the good fight for those ten years trying to win hearts and minds of the Iraqis and Afgani's WE WERE PROVIDING A CONVENIENT TARGET for these crazy extremists. We were an armed speed bump, an armed first line of defense. Not any more people, not anymore. They want to kill Americans. Thats the blunt truth, none of our reasoning here means anything to them. By removing that target, you are basically telling them to come after more. It makes me so very sad that things have come to this.
Damn Kilo...
. It had to hurt. But I hope you take pride in being part of one of the most noble attempts at warfare in human history. Never before, and likely never again...will an army try to go door to door after a ruthless enemy who hides amongst their own loved ones, and try to sort it out. So many of our best citizens were killed and maimed for life, both psychologically and physically...it makes me sick to even think about it. And that is why we are so scared of even coming close to going back in. That said, Islamist are on the move as never before; even pre-9-11. If we do no engage them offensively and all in...they will roll through the ME on the ground, and as soon as Iran procures their nuke...God only knows what will happen.
There are only two options in this scenario...kill the Islamists...or tolerate their hegemony as though they are our equals, and morally justified in ruling their own lands, according to their own Spiritual dictates.
My suspicion...it will be Israel that fulfills the Biblical prophecy of "blood up to the bridle of a horse" in that Land...in that 'Day'.
I really hope you understand the unique nobility of your particular service, buddy...even if George Bush don't. A beautiful effort really. Even if the Iraqis couldn't handle their freedom. Hell...ours may not last.
It's always darkest right before the dawn.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:13 am to Rex
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The blatant attempts to exonerate Bush from a mess of his own making are quite sad.
Translated: Partisan bullshite.
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We were never in Iraq to defend America, which means we couldn't stay there forever, and it's not Obama's fault if people like kilo feel their service was in vain.
Im not going to take your bait. I suspect you're a much bigger pussy than you let on on this forum.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:20 am to kilo
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I served, 30 months over two tours in combat arms; both in Iraq.
Thank you for your service
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They want to kill Americans. Thats the blunt truth, none of our reasoning here means anything to them. By removing that target, you are basically telling them to come after more. It makes me so very sad that things have come to this.
I definitely hope it doesn't play out that way. I just don't think we had any good options.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:24 am to kilo
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I would like to say that one thing was very, very clear during that time. While we may not have been fighting the good fight for those ten years trying to win hearts and minds of the Iraqis and Afgani's WE WERE PROVIDING A CONVENIENT TARGET for these crazy extremists. We were an armed speed bump, an armed first line of defense. Not any more people, not anymore.
They want to kill Americans. Thats the blunt truth, none of our reasoning here means anything to them. By removing that target, you are basically telling them to come after more. It makes me so very sad that things have come to this.
I understand what you're saying, but you did fight the good fight, imo. My question is how long should we have maintained sufficient combat troop levels to be a sufficient "speed bump"? It would seem indefinite, if not unending, to me.
It seems you can't point out anything about the realities of the situation without some people whining that you're "defending Obama" (not you, btw).
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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both have long-term value, which is: stay the frick out of that region except to defend our own stable allies
let the savages murder themselves in their religious warfare that is thousands of years old
As sad as that would be for women and children in those regions, I'm pretty close to agreeing with you. As long as we have the capability to defend the "homeland" and American true American interests abroad.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:26 am to Rex
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Truth doesn't matter
Shut up Rex, this is a very serious matter. Innocent people are being killed and we are responsible. Something has to be done.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:27 am to Homesick Tiger
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Play to win instead of playing to placate. As long as we wage politically correct wars we will always be lacking in a true objective for ourselves and for other countries that we decide to come to their aid.
Wow you've got the solution. Have some Brawndo, you've earned it.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:29 am to kilo
quote:No. The extremists want to kill everyone. When Americans aren't around or convenient they seem to easily be pre-occupied by killing random other targets.
They want to kill Americans.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:29 am to kilo
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I served, 30 months over two tours in combat arms; both in Iraq.
People that were actually there dont say shite like that. You are an idiot.Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:30 am to SpidermanTUba
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You're a moron
Downvote you miserable motherfricker. You are like Rex you don't know when to STFU.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:31 am to kilo
Smart man, don't take their bait. As has been stated, Obama's move are based upon how he thinks it will tilt for himself politically and his hope to disgrace any thing that he thinks is a show of American exceptionalism. If he can taint bush and/or the military, then he sees it as a success. If women and children are slaughtered, so be it. Sadly our 'chickens will come home to roost' and we will see some of this evil on our own soil in the end. He's a weak man and so are his disciples.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:32 am to VOR
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As sad as that would be for women and children in those regions, I'm pretty close to agreeing with you. As long as we have the capability to defend the "homeland" and American true American interests abroad.
So V, preventing an Islamist takeover of the whole ME would not be defending our homeland?
Hell, why did we fight WWII, if that's the rule.
No matter really; even Diane Feinstein knows that we either fight/kill them now...or later, when they are stronger. And have nukes.
There is always some kind of evil crap going on in this World. The Light is only bright because of the Dark.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:32 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:PhD?
How? With his magic beans?
Not a chance.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:33 am to kilo
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I completely understand this. That doesnt change the realities of what is transpiring in Iraq.
I really dont care which way people lean politically, its just sad and its fricking bad for the security of this country moving forward
And I completely understand you point of view, especially with the sacrifices you and others have made. I just don't think that there can be a longterm solution to Iraq's problems from the outside. I'm hoping that the result of the current situation is the splitting into countries - Kurds, Shia, and Sunni, which would most likely cure the ills created by the British decades ago in drawing up the borders.
If this were to be the case, I would consider it a proper evolution, and one in which the American military made a significant contribution to. I would not consider it a wasted effort by the US military, but an effort that most likely accelerated the ultimate solution.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:35 am to kilo
I know a few young men who served in Iraq, my nephew included, who don't agree with you that we should still be there.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:35 am to Rex
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Truth doesn't matter?
You and the truth have but a nodding acquaintance.
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