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re: The VA will be a microcosm of Obamacare
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:08 am to Strannix
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:08 am to Strannix
So the VA problems from before the Obama administration were caused by Obamacare ? And the hideous injuries American forces suffered in Iraq before the Obama administration add no $$$$ to the financial burden of the VA ??? Damn Obama.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 11:11 am
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:06 pm to Wes B
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I think this VA mess, while definitely unacceptable no matter how many vets were mistreated, is really being blown out of proportion by right wingers trying to take advantage of any perceived screw up by the Executive Branch since the PPACA is nowhere near the debacle republicans were planning/hoping it would be.
Go through a couple of years of Tricare and see if your opinion changes. (Particularly vision-related care)
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:10 pm to charlieg14
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So the VA problems from before the Obama administration were caused by Obamacare ? And the hideous injuries American forces suffered in Iraq before the Obama administration add no $$$$ to the financial burden of the VA ??? Damn Obama.
Don't you just love it when they play the Blame Bush card?
Let's wait for the Limbaugh, Fox News, and racism cards to follow.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:11 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:Yeah, but it will be different when they have MORE clinics to manage.
Anybody who's in favor of government-run health care should go spend some time as a patient at the clusterfricks known as military branch medical clinics.
I mean... based on this... why WOULDN'T we give ALL medical care to government! Let's turn it all over to them!! Who's with me! Let's GO!
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:17 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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but it isn't what "Obamacare" is.
It's what the ACA is the beginning of.
Just as Romneycare has failed and is being rolled up into the ACA, so too will the ACA experience more and more issues (mainly costs being vastly more than projected and thus services getting capped). There will be an outcry and some a-hole member of Congress will eventually do a successful push of federalizing the whole system.
The camel's nose got under the tent with the ACA. Look at CommonwealthCare (its predecessor) to see how it will perform and to the VA to what the government's answer to that performance will be.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:28 pm to Taxing Authority
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why WOULDN'T we give ALL medical care to government! Let's turn it all over to them!! Who's with me! Let's GO!
Only if Sebelius is in charge.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:32 pm to Bard
quote:Becasue the VA is awful, let's assume that all government-sponsored healthcare will be awful.
It's what the ACA is the beginning of.
Because, frick, the French are so much smarter than us. We couldn't possibly execute something as well as them.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:39 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Because, frick, the French are so much smarter than us. We couldn't possibly execute something as well as them.
Your solution is to have the French administer our health care?
Intresting.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:45 pm to SmackoverHawg
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The dems are trying to say this is an isolated event and only 40 out of tens of millions of VA pt's died. However, those of us that have worked in the VA system know that those forty are not exceptions. I saw things in the VA that would've gotten any private hospital shut down. They're dirty, inefficient, and employ the cheapest labor they can. The only physicians there for the most part are ones that couldn't make it in the private sector or had "other issues". Anybody that's been in a VA hospital can attest to the almost third world atmosphere at these facilities. And I was at one of the nicer ones in Little Rock. Or at least that's what the vets said.
Very true
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:46 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Because, frick, the French are so much smarter than us. We couldn't possibly execute something as well as them.
Do you work in the healthcare industry?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:55 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the French are so much smarter than us. We couldn't possibly execute something as well as them.
Perhaps they had someone smarter than Sebelius.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:02 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Becasue the VA is awful, let's assume that all government-sponsored healthcare will be awful.
The VA is what US government-run healthcare is. Anyone pushing a single-payer system is pushing a VA system for everyone. I realize it doesn't fit into the glorious pro-ACA narrative folks are trying to spin, but then again neither did keeping the doctor you want to keep, keeping the plan you want to keep, nor caps on services. We warned about all of those things coming and the pro-ACA folks claimed they wouldn't happen, but here they are. Now we're telling you what the next step is and you still refuse to believe.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - Santayana
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:05 pm to Bard
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The VA is what US government-run healthcare is. Anyone pushing a single-payer system is pushing a VA system for everyone. I realize it doesn't fit into the glorious pro-ACA narrative folks are trying to spin, but then again neither did keeping the doctor you want to keep, keeping the plan you want to keep, nor caps on services. We warned about all of those things coming and the pro-ACA folks claimed they wouldn't happen, but here they are. Now we're telling you what the next step is and you still refuse to believe.
That about does it thanks
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:34 pm to Wes B
quote:Fortunately, the past clearly shows us that government-run organizations have followed, to the letter, the tenets it sets forth.
The funny thing is, when you ask people about the individual tenets of PPACA without calling it "ObummerCare" or whatever, people actually agree with it.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:34 pm to Strannix
Just saw that on Fox News as well. And, I agree.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:36 pm to TX Tiger
Breaking news, "VA patients committed suicide after numerous delays and shoddy treatment"
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A West Virginia doctor is coming forward with new allegations against the Department of Veterans Affairs, claiming that she too was told to put patients seeking treatment off for months on end -- and that at least two of them committed suicide.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:41 pm to Strannix
So what are the repubs ideas for fixing the issues?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:42 pm to Wes B
No...they do not need to relax and accept it. Heck, I don't even know what I am anymore. I guess moderate conservative but sure do not enjoin myself to either corrupt party of today. If it requires that we elect a Rep. Senate and President to repeal the abominable Healthcare act...so be it. Only issue I have is that the Rep party has presented no reasonable alternative.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:48 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:Sure they did. You never heard of Romneycare?
Only issue I have is that the Rep party has presented no reasonable alternative.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:49 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Becasue the VA is awful, let's assume that all government-sponsored healthcare will be awful.
Because, frick, the French are so much smarter than us. We couldn't possibly execute something as well as them.
This country is more crooked and the government so much stronger and pervasive.
The US system will continue to be shaped by special interest groups rather than physicians.
Everyone else in healthcare will make more, doctors will make less.
The smart kids going into medicine will no longer choose medicine and will instead move into different areas.
The quality of healthcare in this country will decline over time. There will be a two tier system in this country like in some other countries where private insurance will go and va type hospitals will take care of those on obamacare type of healthcare.
It is going to be a particularly massive mess that will come into play just when I am likely going to start needing healthcare...
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