re: The OK beheading guy had converted to Islam

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quote: Btw, I'm interested in finding out how you know what he thought prior to conversion. Not sure if serious? His facebook posts, perhaps? Read for yourself. Up until about 2012, he was talking about getting a fresh cut, starting a new job, getting a better job, them Bam! LINK

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Which doesn't mean he never thought about killing people prior.

Based on his rap sheet you'd be hard pressed to make an argument that killing was outside his ability.

If you've read his facebook rants please explain how his post about how his peeps was driven out of Israel is sane. And how that relates to the teachings of Islam.

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Your numbers are way too low. In countries like Egypt or Saudi Arabia, the "crazy" percentage (those who believe violence in the name of religion is justified) is more like 40%. That's way more than 10 to 25 million unfortunately.

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Then there is the problem of the millions of Muslims that are not willing to engage in extremism themselves, but support the activity through various channels, and the even larger group that passively support it by simply being willing to look the other way. The scale of problem is enormous.

Quit using the sanity issue to try to shape the discussion. The guy is not sane.

But he clearly adpoted Islam as a device to act on his delusions

He is a terrorist. His actions were by his own admission, terrorism. He quoted the prophet, call for Jihad, denigrated freedom, posted beheadings, and eventually performed one


This is not workplace violence. He acted on people that worked with him that mocked Islam. Fact

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Quit using the sanity issue to try to shape the discussion. The guy is not sane. But he clearly adpoted Islam as a device to act on his delusions He is a terrorist. His actions were by his own admission, terrorism. He quoted the prophet, call for Jihad, denigrated freedom, posted beheadings, and eventually performed one This is not workplace violence. He acted on people that worked with him that mocked Islam. Fact

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the guy isn't sane. Wow. I have said that from the beginning. Lol

Mocked: show me your work.

"But the FBI, which is assisting in the investigation, has so far found no links to terrorism, the officials said. There was also no indication that Nolen was copying the beheadings of journalists in Syria by the Islamic State, the officials said, adding that they are treating this as an incident of workplace violence."

Stupid FBI. if only they could just listen to random internet posters who know it all.

That's a spooky thought; but, it's a very real possibility we'll see more of this behavior.

Do a little research guys on the % of Muslims that believe in Sharia Law. Those numbers by multiple outlets will blow your mind.

Hint: it's WAY more than any 1-2%.

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There was also no indication that Nolen was copying the beheadings of journalists in Syria by the Islamic State, the officials said, adding that they are treating this as an incident of workplace violence.

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So the fact that he made the ISIS hand sign, shouted "Allahu Akbar" while sawing off a woman's head, posted pictures on social media of ISIS leaders with the caption "some of my Muslim brothers" etc etc are all irrelevant? Or are we wishing those down the rabbit hole?

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I love the stupid 1-2 percent theory.

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It's not stupid. It's pretty defensible.

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As if there's not numerous Muslim countries where entire populations of women are subjugated, abused, and brutalized to the higher degree... in the name of Islam.

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All true. However, those countries are not fully of extremist terrorists looking to export pan-Islamism or the Caliphate. My point about the 1 to 2 percent (and, fine, you want to say that's on the way low end, so be it) - is that is poses a significant threat as any army we've ever faced - a 10 to 25 million man pool from which to draw terrorists like the frickers who executed the 9/11 operation and are currently causing trouble in a dozen countries (or more).

And I'm against Sharia law, too. Rule of law is better than any theocracy, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Confuciansim, Taoist, Shinto, Pagan or otherwise.

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Your chances of being harmed or killed by Islamic terrorists (or really ANY terrorists) are ridiculously low. So low that you should almost never think about it...much less try to make some random loon in Oklahoma part of some broader, threatening mosaic.

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Just for the record, since people love to say things like this, I'm pretty sure that most people would be fine not taking any big steps to fight terrorism if you could guarantee them that their and their loved ones chances of dying due to FUTURE terrorist attacks is lower than being struck by lightning.

But you can't possibly do that. Clearly terrorists want to kill a lot more Americans than they have since 9/11. Can they? It's up to your side to prove that, in the absence of our "fear-driven" countermeasures, terrorists still wouldn't be successful here on a grand scale.

I'm not happy about the Patriot Act. I'm not happy about us trading freedoms for security, and it would really suck to have traded freedom for security from a trumped up risk. But it is not obvious to me that terrorists couldn't be successful here if we didn't take measures to prevent them from killing a lot of Americans.
And your stats about car accidents and lightning strikes don't change the equation very much at all. I'm not worried about what terrorists didn't accomplish from 2002-2014.