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The latest on Global Warming
Posted on 6/30/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 12:16 pm
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 12:16 pm to Zach
in before spidey
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 12:35 pm to Zach
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The modelers' attempt at a "counter-intuitive" argument seems to indicate that they are trying to have it both ways. If Antarctic sea ice continues to grow, it's due to global warming. If it diminishes, they'll quickly forget their "counter-intuitive" argument and say that any net melting which is occurring is due to warming.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 1:04 pm to catholictigerfan
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in before spidey
....he's been strangely absent. Could it be that his hero is setting a record pace for presidential ineptitude ?????
Posted on 6/30/14 at 1:13 pm to catholictigerfan
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in before spidey
WOW! Me too! Can't believe his spidey GW sense didn't go off.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 1:17 pm to Zach
<<< Just a dumb flat earther Obama doesn't have the time to educate.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 1:20 pm to Zach
NO amount of clear, objective evidence to contradict AGW will cease the endless campaign of the Statists to establish more Government Power for the purpose of combating AGW.
The AGW Movement's real purpose is to redistribute wealth to poorer nations and to take the US standard of living down a peg or two.
The AGW Movement's real purpose is to redistribute wealth to poorer nations and to take the US standard of living down a peg or two.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 1:36 pm to Zach
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Hank Paulson, whose claim to fame in the public sector is panicking and browbeating the nation and its Washington politicians into accepting the Troubled Asset Relief Program in late September 2008, and who just two weeks later "put a (figurative) gun to the heads" of large-bank CEOs to "persuade" them to accept federal "investment" in their enterprises, has re-emerged to tell us, according to the Hill, that "Republicans are 'ready for a serious discussion' on climate change."
Hank Paulson is crying global warming wolf here because he works for Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs stands to make boat loads of money off of carbon credits if climate legislation is passed. Goldman Sachs will play casino dealer in the carbon credit market where carbon credits will be bought and sold. Goldman Sachs will get a piece of every transaction. That's why Hank Paulson is crying wolf.
...follow the money.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:07 pm to GumboPot
The whole gw crowd has been duped by the leaders of gw like Al Gore. There's no coincidence the man made hundreds of millions off of green technology companies.
Like you said, follow the money...
Like you said, follow the money...
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:13 pm to Zahrim
quote:You laugh, but that is the insanity that exists only in this field of research.
The modelers' attempt at a "counter-intuitive" argument seems to indicate that they are trying to have it both ways. If Antarctic sea ice continues to grow, it's due to global warming. If it diminishes, they'll quickly forget their "counter-intuitive" argument and say that any net melting which is occurring is due to warming.
If one side supports your argument and the opposite also supports your argument, your argument is bullshite. You can't have it both ways. It makes zero scientific sense.
How can every path lead to the same outcome even when multiple paths are going in the opposite directions?
It literally leaves zero outlets to challenge the hypothesis, thus making it bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 2:18 pm to Champagne
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The AGW Movement's real purpose is to redistribute power to liberal progressives throughout the world.
FIFY
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:06 pm to Zach
Is this one of those threads where we act like glaciers and sea ice are the same thing? 
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:08 pm to Iosh
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Is this one of those threads where we act like glaciers and sea ice are the same thing?
Looks that way, but AGW alarmists always point to dwindling sea ice as a symptom of global warming, so, I guess take it for what it is.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:08 pm to Zach
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antarctic ice thickest ever
an Ice Age is upon us ..therefore we need MORE regulation to get back to the good ole days of glabal warming!!
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:10 pm to Iosh
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Is this one of those threads where we act like glaciers and sea ice are the same thing?
Of course not. One simply represents a remnant of the last ice age. The other would seem to be a more relevant indicator of current conditions.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:12 pm to kingbob
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Looks that way, but AGW alarmists always point to dwindling sea ice as a symptom of global warming, so, I guess take it for what it is.
In the Arctic, sure, because there isn't a bigass continent there to generate freshwater runoff. In the Antarctic?
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:13 pm to Iosh
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In the Arctic, sure, because there isn't a bigass continent there to generate freshwater runoff. In the Antarctic?
Well, there's Canada, Alaska, and Greenland
I remember one time when a chunk of ice the size of Rhode Island broke off of the ice sheet in the antarctic and you would have thought Global Warming had just been proven that it would murder us all by the day after tomorrow.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:31 pm to kingbob
quote:Eh, those don't drain into the Arctic for the most part, except for the very Northern parts of Greenland and Ellesmere. Canada and Alaska drain into the river and lake systems of NA.
Well, there's Canada, Alaska, and Greenland
I remember one time when a chunk of ice the size of Rhode Island broke off of the ice sheet in the antarctic and you would have thought Global Warming had just been proven that it would murder us all by the day after tomorrow
What I mainly take issue with is the idea that thick Antarctic sea ice is this super-surprising trump card that the egghead scientists and their fancy models didn't see coming. On this point, the eggheads called it. Check this paper out. It's from one of the very earliest climate modelers, a guy named Syukuro Manabe, written about some of his modeling done in 1990:
quote:TL;DR when you dump a bunch of fresh water from the ice sheets into the surrounding ocean, you reduce the near-surface salinity and make it easier for more ice to form farther down. Plus, Antarctica losing land ice but gaining sea ice isn't really a great trade in terms of long-term sea level rise.
It is surprising, however, that the sea-ice thickness in the G integration increases significantly in the immediate vicinity of the Antarctic Continent despite the increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide. This is consistent with the slight reduction of sea surface temperature mentioned earlier (Fig. 10a). It will be shown in section 9a that, owing to the intensification of the near-surface halocline caused by the increased supply of water at the oceanic surface, the convective mixing of cold near-surface water with warmer, underlying water becomes less frequent, resulting in the increase of sea ice and slight reduction in sea surface temperature.
(NB: I'm making an observation about one aspect of AGW here. Do not interpret this as complete and utter fealty to ALGORE and start interrogating me about hockey sticks. It gets tiresome.)
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:33 pm to Crow Pie
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an Ice Age is upon us ..therefore we need MORE regulation to get back to the good ole days of glabal warming!!
Yep, it will be the 70's all over again...
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:06 pm to Zach
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antarctic ice thickest ever
Zach-
Sorry to bump this one but I've been wanting to respond to is since my temporary banning.
The OP you link to cites two links which he claims say that Antarctic sea ice is melting
LINK
and
LINK .
Unfortunately, those links refer to the Antarctic ice SHEET - not the sea ice. As you are no doubt aware - there's a pretty big difference.
The premise of the entire OP is thus wrong, as scientists have not been claiming that Antarctic SEA ice is collapsing.
I would encourage you to read this denialist blogs with a little more of a critical eye. This error was easy enough to spot simply by checking the OP's sources.
(btw thanks for your help)
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 1:07 pm
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