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The Freedom-From-Reality Caucus
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:31 am
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The delay is said to be a defeat for President Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan, but both men have done about as much as they can. They’ve listened to different points of view across a diverse coalition of Members and 33 Governors, and the House bill is a realistic compromise that can improve health-care markets, protect the federal fisc and, by the way, has a chance of becoming law. No one has offered a better policy alternative to the American Health Care Act that could pass the House and Senate.
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As recently as Wednesday, the White House and congressional leadership had nearly whipped a majority for the bill. But the coalition broke down as the Freedom Caucus made 11th-hour demands about ObamaCare’s “essential health benefits,” or EHB.
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The EHB regulations define 10 broad categories of health-care services that all ObamaCare-compliant insurance plans must cover. Conservatives argue that rescinding these rules qualifies for the “reconciliation” process that requires only an up-or-down Senate vote. Because EHB mandates increase the cost of insurance—by 3% to 17%, depending on the estimate—repealing them might lower federal costs and therefore be eligible.
But there’s a debate about that in Congress, and Mr. Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell want to make sure that the Senate parliamentarian doesn’t reject the bill in toto on procedural grounds. Ordinarily this would be no way to make policy, but amid unanimous Democratic “resistance,” Republicans have little recourse.
The Freedom Caucus responded by converting EHB and reconciliation into matters of high principle. The result has been a slew of negative media coverage about the insurers that would be supposedly unshackled to dump coverage for cancer, maternity and substance-abuse care. That led in turn to a cascade of centrist GOP defections.
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Repealing EHB is good policy, but some of its distortions can be fixed administratively, and is EHB worth capsizing the entire bill? The Freedom Caucus is saying one regulation is more important than everything else the bill does, such as cutting spending on net by $1.15 trillion, cutting taxes by $999 billion and reducing the deficit by $150 billion under the latest Congressional Budget Office estimates.
Dying on this Hamburger Hill means giving up the first modernization of Medicaid since the program was created in 1965, as well as reforms to achieve a fairer, more accountable and more market-based individual insurance system that conservatives have pursued for decades. Failure of the health bill will also jeopardize tax reform by adding $1 trillion to the budget baseline and creating a public perception that Republicans can’t govern
frick these motherfrickers and the horse they rode in on
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:33 am to Tiguar
About what? It's going to pass the House. Sorry man, Bernie is not going to get his way.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:34 am to Lou Pai
Passing the house is all it needs to do?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:37 am to Tiguar
Freedom Caucus is in the House. Then the ball is in the derps' court in the Senate.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:38 am to Lou Pai
It's good that you'll settle for chickenshit from spineless politicians on the right. Less frustration that way.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:38 am to Lou Pai
So you're just asspained about the FC, specifically?
My original comment stands.
My original comment stands.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:43 am to Lou Pai
it is all convoluted, as I just said in another thread. but the bottom line is no one trusts the GOPe when even Pence guaranteed a GOLD LINE of actually doing Phase 2 and 3.
when Speaker Ryan started this, why was it in secret and Paul rushed over with cameras? why didn't Speaker Ryan bring the freedom caucus in from the get go and ALL WORK TOGETHER and I don't know...maybe do their jobs?
when Speaker Ryan started this, why was it in secret and Paul rushed over with cameras? why didn't Speaker Ryan bring the freedom caucus in from the get go and ALL WORK TOGETHER and I don't know...maybe do their jobs?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:44 am to Lou Pai
Frick these motherfrickers is why the shite will not pass. The GOPe assumes they will go along with legislation that they are not allowed to help craft.
Notice how their concerns were not address until the last few days?!
I'd rather Obamacare 1.0 fail now, than have the GOPe's Obamacare 2.0 the Frankenstein Edition stumble around for the next 20 years.
The GOPe morphed Repeal Obamacare into Repeal AND Replace Obamacare! Frick those motherfrickers!
Notice how their concerns were not address until the last few days?!
I'd rather Obamacare 1.0 fail now, than have the GOPe's Obamacare 2.0 the Frankenstein Edition stumble around for the next 20 years.
The GOPe morphed Repeal Obamacare into Repeal AND Replace Obamacare! Frick those motherfrickers!
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:45 am to Lou Pai
quote:
It's going to pass the House.
I'm not so sure. I think these ignorant fools are going to force us all to keep Obamacare.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:47 am to Lou Pai
As always, the Right struggles maintaining coalitions. Getting from A to Z requires going through the other letters. Our principled absolutist allies aren't that patient. They won't take a victory, only a rout. The problem with that for them, is that if this doesn't go as they plan this will undermine them, their President and their Party. So they may well end up with a loss.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:48 am to Jake88
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It's good that you'll settle for chickenshit from spineless politicians on the right. Less frustration that way.
As opposed to the Chicken, horse, elephant, dog, and cat shite from the left?
Don't get me wrong, I wish the Repubs had the balls to completely repeal Medicaid, Medicare, ACA, Social Security, Welfare, and ALL other government handouts forced on us taxpayers. At this very point in history the Republicans could do all of the above. It would only take the Senate to change their rules to a simple majority. they could then do all of it.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:03 pm to Lsupimp
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As always, the Right struggles maintaining coalitions. Getting from A to Z requires going through the other letters. Our principled absolutist allies aren't that patient. They won't take a victory, only a rout. The problem with that for them, is that if this doesn't go as they plan this will undermine them, their President and their Party. So they may well end up with a loss.
Maybe a short review will help. Since the FDR administration it's been:
1) liberals push their liberal agenda 10 feet down the road increasing government control
2) GOPe complains and promises to push it back 10 feet
3) GOPe gains control and increases efficiency by a 5 foot roll back. Solidifies liberal gains to the new normal!
4) Liberals regain power and the cycle repeats ad nauseum!
Not ever a victory and always a route!
Member when GOPe passed legislation to repeal Obamacare? A complete 10 foot push back!
Now they want to repeal and REPLACE! The 5 foot new normal!!!
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:13 pm to Lou Pai
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is EHB worth capsizing the entire bill?
Yes.
1. EHB's distort the market
2. what coverage is offered is none of the governments concern
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:19 pm to Lou Pai
The true RINO's now.
These are the members left by there party. It is no longer a party on the right, but closer to the middle.
These are the members left by there party. It is no longer a party on the right, but closer to the middle.
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