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The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect

Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:53 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:53 am
To the few idiot Clinton supporters on this Board:


"It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it. Clinton clearly wanted a harder line than Obama took against the CIA’s long-standing foes in Moscow, while Trump wanted improved relations and greater cooperation. In general, Clinton defended and intended to extend the decades long international military order on which the CIA and Pentagon’s preeminence depends, while Trump — through a still-uncertain mix of instability and extremist conviction — posed a threat to it.

Whatever one’s views are on those debates, it is the democratic framework — the presidential election, the confirmation process, congressional leaders, judicial proceedings, citizen activism and protest, civil disobedience — that should determine how they are resolved. All of those policy disputes were debated out in the open; the public heard them; and Trump won. Nobody should crave the rule of Deep State overlords."

LINK

Great article.

We have got to break the power of the Deep State.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79236 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:55 am to
Just a reminder that the Intercept also just put out a riveting piece calling SEAL Team Six a bunch of murderous war criminals
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:59 am to
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Just a reminder that the Intercept also just put out a riveting piece calling SEAL Team Six a bunch of murderous war criminals


And......... so what?

How does that impact the subject of the Deep State?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36093 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:31 am to
Seal Team 6 is a covert military group and thus is a part of the military industrial complex.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67490 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:48 am to
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Seal Team 6

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is a covert military group

Yes

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and thus is a part of the military industrial complex

Technically speaking yes

ST6 is killing machine......PERIOD.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79236 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:50 am to
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ST6 is killing machine......PERIOD.



And Glenn Greenwald acts like that is a bad thing...

I respectfully disagree
Posted by golfntiger32
Ohio
Member since Oct 2013
12486 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:53 am to
The problem with much of our current agencies is that Obama appointees and the people they hired are communist extremist just like Obama. They are very idealogical and will do ANYTHING to discredit Trump. They know the writting is on the wall and they know it so damn the torpedos time is here.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67490 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:55 am to
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And Glenn Greenwald acts like that is a bad thing...

I respectfully disagree

Assuming you disagree with GG; correct?

If so I agree......with your disagreeing
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32876 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:55 am to
Some people just need killing and that outfit happens to be the absolute best at it among all of SOCOM.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:09 pm to
This article now double posted but mine is better.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36093 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:18 pm to
It can be. The wedding party massacre cited in the article, where most of the victims were women and children, creates more problems and enemies than you solve. Friends and family of the victims are more likely to become insurgents or terrorists in response to these crimes, and they should be classified as such.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 4:23 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

"It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it. Clinton clearly wanted a harder line than Obama took against the CIA’s long-standing foes in Moscow, while Trump wanted improved relations and greater cooperation. In general, Clinton defended and intended to extend the decades long international military order on which the CIA and Pentagon’s preeminence depends, while Trump — through a still-uncertain mix of instability and extremist conviction — posed a threat to it.


Cannot be said enough times!

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We have got to break the power of the Deep State.



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Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19069 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:29 pm to
What are the odds of Trump lasting as long as Kennedy?
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

What are the odds of Trump lasting as long as Kennedy?


I doubt they'll need to kill him. They will probably be able to impeach him one some bullshite or another. I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:57 pm to
As Americans steeped in the idea of the greatness and goodness of the USA we should all be astounded and exhilarated that we have a president who will take on the Deep State, if he can and if he will. We should do everything in our power to help him prevail.


I saw an article recently that said the Deep State traces its beginning back to the Manhattan Project in WWII. It is now a cancer on the life of the nation. It must be excised if we want a country worth living in.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 9:10 pm to
Uh huh
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 7:56 am to
LINK

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The Media and the Deep State Have Gone to War With the Duly-Elected Commander-in-Chief To Be

The "deep state" is a term borrowed from the Turks, who used it to describe the permanent government embedded within the bureaucracy and military that wields power no matter who is nominally the President.

Gleen Greenwald says the American Deep State has gone to war with Trump:
quote:

In other words, the CIA and FBI weren't presenting these to Trump as Real Allegations they were investigating, but as a cautionary tale about Fake News that Trump would have to be cautious about spreading himself. (And, implicitly, they were trying to say: "So you have to Trust Us about everything.)

So CNN's report, per NBC, was itself fatally flawed and based on Fake News, despite CNN's and Jake Tapper's protestations to the contrary.

However, it doesn't take a suspicious mind (though it helps to have one) to imagine this was all deliberately engineered by the Deep State, by a deliberate Telephone Game in which one claim gets intentionally distorted each step along the relay that ultimately put in on CNN and then Buzzfeed.

Step One: The CIA contrives a reason to present a brief mention of this oppo dump on Trump, with the cover story that they're presenting it as a Morality Tale about Trusting the Infallible CIA and not the Internet.

Step Two: CIA operatives familiar with the game plan now contact CNN and whatever other outlets are willing to listen and misreport the oppo dump not as a cautionary tale presented to Trump, but as Real Allegations by Credible Sources the CIA is Vigorously Investigating.

Step Three: Now the story cooked up by Oppo Dump researchers six months ago-- which no one could ever confirm, and which all media outlets refused to publish (though the leftwing hackshop Mother Jones did sketch out the basics) -- has a pretext of newsworthiness attached to it, and finally, after anti-Trump forces in political parties and government have tried to get it out for half a year, finally someone is willing to bite into this shitburger.

You asked for a miracle? I give you CNN.

Step Four: CNN, having now legitimized which never had any legitimacy from the beginning, is taken as encouragement for Buzzfeed to publish a defamatory document which they themselves admit cannot be verified and in fact is erroneous in the few areas where they can attempt to verify it.

I should say that Step Three and Step Four might be in reverse order -- I don't know which Useful Idiot went first here. Either CNN went first vaguely and then Buzzfeed clowned itself to death, or Buzzfeed published the stupid, barely-literate "report" and that got CNN to say, "Wow, Buzzfeed published this. So it must be true!!11!!eleventy!!"

Call it Information Laundering: Each step along the way, the dirty, unverifiable information is cleaned up just slightly enough to get the next laundromat in line to pretend to clean it up just a little bit more.

Easy-peasy: If you can't verify the story itself, report the rumors of the story -- see, the part that this is "rumored" is verifiable. If you've heard it, it is, inarguably, a rumor that's going around.

So just shift the narrative frame of the story from "These are the facts" to "The fact is, people are spreading this rumor, which is very important, if true."

Always throw that rhetorical hedge in there: if true. You can add a smiley-face-wink emoji to indicate "And man, you better believe this is true, baby!!!"

Accident? Happenstance? Coincidence?

Or a fairly simple plan?

Bear in mind, this is how the game is played and how it has always been played. When someone wants to get dirt out on someone, first they contact major media outlets. If those won't publish, they then push the story to lesser outlets and even bloggers, the hope being that if bloggers break the story, then at least the media will have to report that bloggers are reporting on a story which can't be verified.

And thus the story is injected into the national bloodstream, even though the media passed on reporting the story qua the story itself -- they are now just reporting on the story of the story being reported. Either way, though, it's now out there.

I know whereof I speak on this; Oppo Dump people tried to get me interested in two anti-Obama stories in 2008.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:01 am to
quote:

The British ex-spy behind the Trump dossier was an FBI asset

The operative — identified today by the Wall Street Journal as Christopher Steele, a former Russian operations officer for Britain’s MI6 intelligence agency — had worked as a consultant for the FBI’s Eurasian organized crime section, helping to develop information about ties between suspected Russian gangsters and FIFA, said one of the sources, who is directly familiar with Steele’s work.

Steele had been hired originally to investigate Trump by his political opponents, and he decided to share his information with the FBI last year. The preexisting relationship between Steele and U.S. officials is one reason the FBI took the operative’s allegations seriously when he first turned over a written dossier, filled with uncorroborated “raw intelligence” about Trump, to one of the bureau’s agents in Rome last summer, the sources said.

So who were Trump's political oppenents that ordered this hit job? HRC, Obama AND McCain? They get a FBI asset AKA a spook to go after someone politically? And of course CNN or the democrats won't see anything wrong with this...unless it was done to them...
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:02 am to
I was just coming to post this article and remembered you already had.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123946 posts
Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:02 am to
quote:

is a covert military group

Yes
Not under the Obama administration.
Obama was all to eager to detail their efforts. That led to publicizing efforts which in the past would never have seen light of day. Just as Obama moved to politicize leadership in the IC overall. It was/is a very dangerous trend.

We need hearings on the role of the IC, specifically CIA leadership, in attempting to delegitimize the 2016 election.
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