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re: The ACA: 7 Years Later

Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:40 am to
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:40 am to
I love how you ignored my question. Why do you hate the middle class and want to take my money? Then you just posted you wanted to expand it. Why would you want to expand an overreaching government program that has been a big pile of shite for the middle class.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:40 am to
quote:

The definition of the word has become completely different than it is supposed to be


Post-ACA the definition is exactly what it should be.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72726 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:41 am to
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Wrong.


Nope.

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I don't want to keep the ACA as is - I want to expand it. Under your misunderstanding, you would claim I was for repeal (I'm not).



I'm willing to concede there is a minor faction of fringe lunatics like yourself included in that 93%. It would be dishonest to claim that number to be significant when discussing majority opinion.

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The majority of Americans do not want the ACA repealed, as we find again and again.


Polls consistently say otherwise.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140732 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:42 am to
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Why do you hate the middle class and want to take my money?


He supports stealing from you rather than taking the matter into his own hands and giving more of his own money.

His kind loves wealth distribution but won't give up the fancy house, car or vacation to help the people they supposedly care about. They should sacrifice until they can't because they "care" so much.

It's all an act.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72726 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:42 am to
quote:

That's 3% of the population.


52% say their health care costs have gone up.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:43 am to
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Why do you hate the middle class and want to take my money?


I don't, and the slowing increase of premium growth (and greater access to care) is a net positive for the middle class. You're welcome.

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Why would you want to expand an overreaching government program that has been a big pile of shite for the middle class.


Because it hasn't been a big pile of shite for the middle class, and because I think the richest country in the world can do more to ensure her citizens' health and access to quality health care.

Why do you want poor people to die in the streets? What kind of Christian are you, other than a shitty one?
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
23195 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:43 am to
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That's 3% of the population


bullshite!

I do not know a single working person who hasn't experienced wild increases in premiums/deductibles over the past three years. Self employed folks have it even worse. Several I know just paid the penalty.

I had to switch to the crappiest plan my employer offers to be able to keep my cost increase to 12% each over the past two years.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:43 am to
I see "insure" in just about every graph and stat. Therefore it is BS.

The definition of the word has become completely different than it is supposed to be, so any argument is based on a false premise.

DV.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39575 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:44 am to
He's just volume posting his delusions at this point.

the ACA is virtually the greatest legislative disaster of our time and no serious poll gives it, or iteration of it, anything near majority support.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72726 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:44 am to
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slowing increase of premium growth (and greater access to care)


More cherry-picking.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:44 am to
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52% say their health care costs have gone up.


A smaller bit than they would have without the ACA. Costs are still going up, but at a slower rate. Maybe if every state had expanded Medicaid we would see even slower growth (or even reduction) in costs, or if Republicans weren't obstructionist on improving the ACA. Who knows.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:44 am to
The American people don't like Obamacare

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Support for the individual mandate in regular surveys over the last several years has run from a high of 44% in November 2014 to a low of 32% in October of the following year.


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Only 12% of voters want to leave Obamacare alone, but 88% say it’s important for Congress and the president to have some sort of replacement program in place if they repeal it.


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Eighty-two percent (82%) of Republicans and 64% of voters not affiliated with either major political party think it is more important to reduce the cost of health care. Just 42% of Democrats agree. Most Democrats (54%) say making sure that everyone has health insurance is more important.


The left in a nutshell. Frick everybody else as long as the poor have insurance.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140732 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:45 am to
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Why do you want poor people to die in the streets?


More lies from the most prolific liar on the PT board.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:45 am to
quote:

quote:
The definition of the word has become completely different than it is supposed to be


Post-ACA the definition is exactly what it should be.


No.

What do you think "insure" is supposed to mean "post-ACA?"
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:45 am to
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A smaller bit than they would have without the ACA. Costs are still going up, but at a slower rate. Maybe if every state had expanded Medicaid we would see even slower growth (or even reduction) in costs, or if Republicans weren't obstructionist on improving the ACA. Who knows.


The problem is the cost that should really matter are the cost of the people that are actually paying for their insurance and not having it subsidized. The middle class is getting raped.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:47 am to
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More cherry-picking.


In the real world, we call that 'data'

I know you don't like it because it conflict with whatever contrarian position you've chosen to have today...but them's the breaks.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
23195 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:48 am to
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Why do you want poor people to die in the streets?


This wasn't happening pre ACA.

This is like the stupid incest abortion argument.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:49 am to
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I don't, and the slowing increase of premium growth (and greater access to care) is a net positive for the middle class. You're welcome.


That's straight up BS. You are taking money from me to subsidize Billy down the street. That is a fact of Obamacare that cannot be refuted.

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Because it hasn't been a big pile of shite for the middle class, and because I think the richest country in the world can do more to ensure her citizens' health and access to quality health care.


Yes it has. The middle class is subsidizing this thing dude. Health care does not equal health insurance. We have by far the best health care in the world.

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Why do you want poor people to die in the streets? What kind of Christian are you, other than a shitty one?


Nobody was dying in the streets pre ACA but your a hack so you can't be honest. Also I never stated I was a Christian but of course you would assume since I lean right I must be.
Posted by RyderLee
Hub City
Member since Mar 2017
12 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:49 am to
This thread is a joke. frick you and frick Obama. Ask the average middle class family how their medical premiums are. Their answer will not reflect what is shown here, guaranteed. Come back when you're in touch with the rest of the working society here in America. Until then, feel free to sit back and watch as Uncle Don continues to Make America Great Again!
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39575 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:50 am to
Your premiums went up by hundreds of dollars if you're lucky, but you are wrong and thet really went down. Everyone who says they hate Obamacare really loves it.

-BamaSJW
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