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re: The ACA: 7 Years Later
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:06 pm to klrstix
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:06 pm to klrstix
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Yes they are...
Unless you have a Non compliant grandfathered healthcare plan... the ACA compliant plans are going up at a significantly higher rate the the grandfathered plans.
Here's a good sauce:
LINK
Individual and family plans are skyrocketing. This is from a site that helps people obtain insurance, meaning this is actual data based on available plans.
It only goes back to 2008 (presumably the year the site was founded) but the explosion in costs occurred when Ocare fully kicked in.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:15 pm to Bestbank Tiger
I thought the consensus was that healthcare spending dropped because of the tepid Obama economy? There's links to this effect all over Google but I suspect I'll be called a liar by the true believers.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:29 pm to BamaAtl
Seriously, I will not read anything you post because you are such a fricking shill and have ZERO credibility that any thread of yours is absolute bullshite. I didn't even bother reading your bullshite articles or graphs. I automatically downvote.
You are without a doubt the worst poster on the poli board.
You are without a doubt the worst poster on the poli board.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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What a success story.
Yes, it is some story...if the US Military were as successful as Social Security is there would be no conflict in the world and John Lennon's "Imagine" would be reality and not a dream....
Prior to Social Security somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of orphans and the disabled lived in unimaginable poverty....not the poverty we know today but poverty the likes of which no American can even conceive of.....today, with Social Security, less than 10% of Orphans and the disabled live in poverty....and that 10% of Americans live better than most developed nations middle class.
People of retirement age were living in the same kind of poverty as orphans and the disabled at about a 50% clip....that number is now lower than 10% also....and the "poverty" that that 10% suffers under looks more like the middle class in America prior to social security than poverty....
The only problem with Social Security is that it is a BOOMIN success, one paid for BY LABOR FOR LABOR....and is therefore something that must be destroyed because it smacks of collectivism, which it blessedly is, and examples of succesful collectivism can't be tolerated when you are sharing a narrative of free markets are always the only answer and collectivism always leads to soviet style communism.
SO why is that the GOP and the right must villify SS and what is their dream? To fleece each and every SS recipient out of a measly 1% management fee for their cronies...and that 1% fee will cost, on average, right at $100K for every working man and woman in America over a 40 year career....social security does the same thing for about .07% administrative costs....costs bared be WORKING PEOPLE and never a dime coming from federal income tax revenue or any other sort of federal tax revenue OTHER than payroll taxes...and, this is where the smoke and mirrors comes in....there is NO RISK involved in the .07% administration account that is Social Security....it has paid 100% of its promises over its lifetime...there is not a retirement account in existence that can even come close to that claim...and it provides income for disabled people and orphans...something NO OTHER retirement account offers. The banking industry is fricking salivating at the idea of getting their hands on social security so they can pillage it like they do 401k's.
Finally social security is a promise made from working people to working people....I work today when you aren't able and when I get there those younger than I will do the same...and it works like a charm...and politicians on both sides of the aisle can't stand the thought of OUR MONEY lying around in case WE NEED it so they steal it left and right and use it for all sorts of shite that should be paid for with TAX REVENUE but raising taxes to pay for shite like fighting ill advised wars is bad for business if you are a politician so you look for the money elsewhere...and you know you have already planted the seed that social security is bad so why not use that money and make it a reality....your minions on the right will carry the water for you....
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:47 pm to germandawg
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social security does the same thing for about .07% administrative costs....costs bared be WORKING PEOPLE and never a dime coming from federal income tax revenue or any other sort of federal tax revenue OTHER than payroll taxes
This is not true. Social Security has been in the red since 2010 and I don't think that has changed in the interim. It also happened in the early 1980s, when part of "the fix" was to loot the Social Security Trust Fund and stuff it with treasury IOUs. That's also when Social Security benefits started to be taxed.
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Social Security will pay out more this year than it gets in payroll taxes, marking the first time since the program will be in the red since it was overhauled in 1983, according to the annual authoritative report released Thursday by the program’s actuary.
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it has paid 100% of its promises over its lifetime...there is not a retirement account in existence that can even come close to that claim
How do you think "means testing" Social Security will affect your claim of "100 percent of its promises"?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:04 pm to texashorn
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This is not true. Social Security has been in the red since 2010 and I don't think that has changed in the interim. It also happened in the early 1980s, when part of "the fix" was to loot the Social Security Trust Fund and stuff it with treasury IOUs. That's also when Social Security benefits started to be taxed.
This is simply not true my friend....the SS Trust Fund is FINE....if the Military alone would pay back what it has been handed from that fund it would be in even better shape. As long as the US Government exists and politicians do not do something stupid like refuse to raise the debt ceiling so they can pay what they owe to working men and women social security is funded. If Politicians decide it is OK to simply steal the money of working men and women...money that we set aside for one another and should have never been made available for any other purpose...they you'd be right....if the politicians in Washingtone decide to be dead beats and not pay the nations bills then social security will suffer like all holders of IOU's from the US Government.
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it has paid 100% of its promises over its lifetime...there is not a retirement account in existence that can even come close to that claim
How do you think "means testing" Social Security will affect your claim of "100 percent of its promises"?
Social security has been means tested since the beginning my friend....if you paid the max amount every year you received the max benefit...for that if you didn't pay the max amount but still made more than the average you too were subject to the max benefit...that is the PROMISE...and has been the promise all along....and will be the promise should means testing mean you receive no direct benefit...
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:10 pm to germandawg
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.if the Military alone would pay back what it has been handed from that fund it would be in even better shape
Maybe we could forget about NATO since the USSR is gone. And quit droning people. Those two things would save a fortune.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:16 pm to germandawg
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This is simply not true my friend....the SS Trust Fund is FINE....if the Military alone would pay back what it has been handed from that fund it would be in even better shape
The Social Security Trust Fund is being funded by taxpayers (again). It's a shell game. It is nothing but an accounting entry of what the taxpayer will have to (re)pay, as evidenced by your claim that "the military" will have to pay back its share received from the Social Security Trust Fund (one of many government operations to get that money, not just the military).
Who do you think pays for the military? The taxpayer.
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not do something stupid like refuse to raise the debt ceiling so they can pay what they owe to working men and women social security is funded.
More self-ownage. If they don't raise the debt ceiling (print more money that has to be backed by the taxpayer, eventually)...
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If Politicians decide it is OK to simply steal the money of working men and women...money that we set aside for one another and should have never been made available for any other purpose...they you'd be right....if the politicians in Washingtone decide to be dead beats and not pay the nations bills then social security will suffer like all holders of IOU's from the US Government.
Again, Washington doesn't pay the bills. The taxpayer does.
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If Politicians decide it is OK to simply steal the money of working men and women...money that we set aside for one another and should have never been made available for any other purpose...they you'd be right....if the politicians in Washingtone decide to be dead beats and not pay the nations bills then social security will suffer like all holders of IOU's from the US Government.
So going from SOME benefit to NO benefit is considered keeping a promise. Got it.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:18 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Maybe we could forget about NATO since the USSR is gone. And quit droning people. Those two things would save a fortune.
Im all in.....quit footing the bill almost single handedly for NATO and guess what? European manufacturers are looking at a corporate tax rate that would make the US Corporate tax rate look very favorable....because without some serious and immediate spending on the military by Europe Russia would exact its pound of flesh very quickly....but of course the GOP believes in level playing fields but loves the idea of increased military spending which makes the playing field anything but level....
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:19 pm to BamaAtl
Of fricking course the number of uninsured went down.
The middle class is paying THREE TIMES as much for worse healthcare to subsidize everyone else.
I don't give a shite about your health, your healthcare or your well being in general. It's not my responsibility to pay YOUR bills.
So you can frick right off with your "uninsured numbers".
We can give homes to all the homeless too, we just have to forego cars, clothes, television, education costs, etc... to pay for them.
The ends do NOT always justify the means.
The middle class is paying THREE TIMES as much for worse healthcare to subsidize everyone else.
I don't give a shite about your health, your healthcare or your well being in general. It's not my responsibility to pay YOUR bills.
So you can frick right off with your "uninsured numbers".
We can give homes to all the homeless too, we just have to forego cars, clothes, television, education costs, etc... to pay for them.
The ends do NOT always justify the means.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 2:20 pm
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